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Lie still in bed

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Re: Lie still in bed

#71
Such articles are… really laughable, as people differ in their physiology and circadian rhythms and it is NOT generally advisable to blindly follow someone else’s experiences with sleep.

There are books like ‘While we sleep’ which can give you some insight into the complexity of causes and effects and even this book was heavily criticised although the author did some actual research with cited sources etc.

And I’m saying this as someone who had major problems with sleep for more than year, but now sleeps daily an average of 7-8hours.

The only thing actually recommendable (IMHO of course) is to not force yourself into sleep, as this may very well backfire. Laying still and stuff like that is a rather forceful technique. For hyperactive and hollering people (with ADHD and alike) it may even amount to torture.

All the CBT that you can apply is NOT universal. Techniques such as not eating too much, not drinking alcohol at night, cooling the room, counting eyes closed, doing exercise, having blinders, doing meditation if you want… are absolutely NOT universal and what works for someone may actually be bad for you and me.

In reality the most common advice - to meditate before sleep - may result in contrary results. Courber intuitively there is evidence that sleep deprivation may actually help depression, rather than forcing sleep patterns.

Please consult sleep experts, rather than consulting random articles although they may seem plausible.

Re: Lie still in bed

#73

I discovered profoundly relaxing and deep sleep by doing this routine. 1. Lie on my back on the bed. Place my hands beside my torso, palms facing down. Keep my legs straight, but free and relaxed. 2. Close my eyes and focus my attention on the region between my eyebrows. 3. Relax my breathing and make it regular and slow. 4. Actively imagine my stress and anxiety to be a form of fluid, filled in my body and then imag…

When did you do this routine? Morning, midday, evenings, before bed?

Mostly night time.

A few times during mid day.

Re: Lie still in bed

#75
I used this same technique to induce lucid dreams when I was younger. My theory for why it worked was that one part of the brain was sending a 'roll over' signal to another part of the brain in order to check if it was ready to enter the next stage of sleep. By purposely ignoring that signal and remaining still, I was able to fall directly into a dream while still conscious.

I'm sure there was a bit more to it than that. I also kept a rigorous dream journal, and had several other rituals and practices that I've since forgotten. But lying still was definitely a big part of it.

Re: Lie still in bed

#76
The most negative influence on my sleep by far is from using my phone in bed, as I suspect it is for many others. Not only when falling asleep, but also when waking up reaching for the phone is too easy and robs me of any chance of falling asleep again.

The only trick I've found that works quite consistently for me, is removing the phone from the room entirely. This makes my laziness work for me for once, as getting the phone from another room altogether is too much of a hassle.

Similarly, if you want to stop eating after a certain hour, 9pm in my case, brush your teeth at that exact time. After that I can't be bothered to eat since brushing my teeth again would be a hassle.

Re: Lie still in bed

#77

Very similar to “chop wood, carry water” Seems like I’m seeing a cultural shift happening in the last few months to people re/discovering zen-stoicism-minimalism Probably the cyclical nature of trends

My perception is that stoicism has been a buzzword on HN for the entire time I've been here (~since 2017?). The uptick in various forms of doomsaying around that time might have had something to do with it.

Yeah some of these philosophical positions have a baseline frequency generally - biased up or down for the respective group.

However, the frequency seems to be increasing, though my caveat is that this increase is cyclical - so not “new” per se, but cyclically new.

Re: Lie still in bed

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post #71

Such articles are… really laughable, as people differ in their physiology and circadian rhythms and it is NOT generally advisable to blindly follow someone else’s experiences with sleep. There are books like ‘While we sleep’ which can give you some insight into the complexity of causes and effects and even this book was heavily criticised although the author did some actual research with cited sources etc. And I’m sa…

> For hyperactive and hollering people (with ADHD and alike) it may even amount to torture.

Seems like a slight overstatement.

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