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Lie still in bed

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Such articles are… really laughable, as people differ in their physiology and circadian rhythms and it is NOT generally advisable to blindly follow someone else’s experiences with sleep. There are books like ‘While we sleep’ which can give you some insight into the complexity of causes and effects and even this book was heavily criticised although the author did some actual research with cited sources etc. And I’m sa…

FYI, "Why we sleep" is not a reliable source [1].

[1] https://guzey.com/books/why-we-sleep/

Re: Lie still in bed

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post #84
post #71

Such articles are… really laughable, as people differ in their physiology and circadian rhythms and it is NOT generally advisable to blindly follow someone else’s experiences with sleep. There are books like ‘While we sleep’ which can give you some insight into the complexity of causes and effects and even this book was heavily criticised although the author did some actual research with cited sources etc. And I’m sa…

I don't think the point of the article was actually about sleep at all. It was about where to apply willpower to effect any kind of habit change. It's just an example in his case that the habit he wanted to build was going to sleep earlier, which he tried to do by just lying still in bed at the time he wanted to sleep, and resisting the urge to do anything else, first for two minutes, then for four. But he applies th…

Of course, why didn't I think of it? To change my bad habits, all I need to do is will it! Truly insightful.

Re: Lie still in bed

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post #84
post #71

Such articles are… really laughable, as people differ in their physiology and circadian rhythms and it is NOT generally advisable to blindly follow someone else’s experiences with sleep. There are books like ‘While we sleep’ which can give you some insight into the complexity of causes and effects and even this book was heavily criticised although the author did some actual research with cited sources etc. And I’m sa…

I don't think the point of the article was actually about sleep at all. It was about where to apply willpower to effect any kind of habit change. It's just an example in his case that the habit he wanted to build was going to sleep earlier, which he tried to do by just lying still in bed at the time he wanted to sleep, and resisting the urge to do anything else, first for two minutes, then for four. But he applies th…

willpower is a vacuous self-help concept as you have as little control over your 'willpower' as you have over your sleep. To pick OPs example, people with ADHD often have executive dysfunction. They're unable to follow these kinds of routines because their brains don't work like this.

And ordinary people too just vary in their conscientiousness (which unlike willpower is a real, measurable trait), and that is going to determine how effective these kinds of regiments are for you. But you cannot simply change your basic psychological markup. For someone who simply cannot conform to a normal sleep schedule it may be much better to adjust their life to their sleep, not the other way around.

Re: Lie still in bed

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Im not a bad sleeper but it drove me insane when i wasnt able to sleep anymore about month ago. I was doing like the article suggested, lying in bed, but when it was 3-4 AM i kinda gave up and started just doing stuff. Then i either held off for next evening or slept in the day.

What changed it for me was turning my massive portable AC on and let it hum through the night. I think my body just dont sleep that well when its hot/warmish.

So there can be multiple factors in play. I agree though being really pedant about sleep rhytme helps, especially waking yourself up in the same time.

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#105

This may work for non-neurotic people but laying still in bed is when the demons in my mind come out to play and remind me of all of my problems.

From the age of 11 to mid 30s I found it very difficult to sleep without being able to listen to something to distract myself for the same reason. Being in a dark silent room with my eyes shut was the worst thing ever.

A few things really helped me. The first was meditation because it allows you to become mindful of your feelings and recognize what you’re feeling. This mindfulness makes it much easier to practice emotional regulation, which is essential for self soothing. And finally ER allowed me to learn to love myself and separate myself from my bad past experiences and mistakes.

Journaling about your demons and past cringe or dramatic or bad experiences in extreme detail also helps a lot. Bonus for journaling in a way that is compassionate to yourself

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#106
post #71

Such articles are… really laughable, as people differ in their physiology and circadian rhythms and it is NOT generally advisable to blindly follow someone else’s experiences with sleep. There are books like ‘While we sleep’ which can give you some insight into the complexity of causes and effects and even this book was heavily criticised although the author did some actual research with cited sources etc. And I’m sa…

To see with my own eyes, think with my own brain and learn from my own experiences?

Outrageous!

Give me the secondhand wisdom of authoritative strangers every time.

Re: Lie still in bed

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post #71

Such articles are… really laughable, as people differ in their physiology and circadian rhythms and it is NOT generally advisable to blindly follow someone else’s experiences with sleep. There are books like ‘While we sleep’ which can give you some insight into the complexity of causes and effects and even this book was heavily criticised although the author did some actual research with cited sources etc. And I’m sa…

On the heels of the thoroughness of your reply, I’d like to offer what I think research indicates is a universal technique; reduce or eliminate blue light in the evening and early morning.

If your TV, tablet, or phone, has the ability to dim the screen in the evening, turn it on. Also check the settings and app stores for something that reduces the amount of blue in the screen’s output. Our species is conditioned into a consistent circadian rhythm by the rotation of our planet and the observance of light from the sun. This appears to be true regardless of location and culture and modern technology and modern indoor work environments have interrupted this natural cycle.

Also, as we’re heading into fall, you may want to look for a “blue light” emitting lamp for winter if you find yourself in a more depressive state, of stuck in doldrums. The tilt of the planet reduces the amount of light in the northern hemisphere. The addition of blue light during normal waking hours has been shown to decrease sadness and seasonal depression. With it still being off season you may find them for less right now.

Re: Lie still in bed

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I used to be really bad at falling asleep. I'm not talking 30 minutes or 45 minutes, but sometimes 3 whole hours without being able to get 1 second of sleep. I didn't even touch my phone once while in bed. I also had a lot of trouble finding the right position in which to sleep to feel comfortable (not even talking about finding the right mattress/pillow combination). Somehow, I trained myself at sleeping on my back…

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Re: Lie still in bed

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post #71

Such articles are… really laughable, as people differ in their physiology and circadian rhythms and it is NOT generally advisable to blindly follow someone else’s experiences with sleep. There are books like ‘While we sleep’ which can give you some insight into the complexity of causes and effects and even this book was heavily criticised although the author did some actual research with cited sources etc. And I’m sa…

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Re: Lie still in bed

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post #71

Such articles are… really laughable, as people differ in their physiology and circadian rhythms and it is NOT generally advisable to blindly follow someone else’s experiences with sleep. There are books like ‘While we sleep’ which can give you some insight into the complexity of causes and effects and even this book was heavily criticised although the author did some actual research with cited sources etc. And I’m sa…

> but now sleeps daily an average of 7-8hours

What was the trick?

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