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Von Braun was a Nazi spy
> Von Braun was a Nazi spy He came to the US after the war in Europe was over. Pretty difficult to spy on behalf of a political regime that no longer exists. If he was spying for anyone - which I don’t think has ever been seriously alleged, let alone proven - it would’ve been the USSR.
Reaction I: This story is only newsworthy "because SpaceX". Reaction II: The statements by the DoJ ("can't discriminate against") and Elan ("at least a green card to be hired") may both be correct...from their respective PoV's: The DoJ is technically right on the law. Vs. Elan knows that any asylees or refugees he hires will, over time, be 100X the legal and security grief that SpaceX has with green cards and citizen…
It’s not on their dime. If they are housing sensitive material to keep away they got an extremely lucrative contract that is likely extremely bloated in their favor.
At this point, I'm not sure if it's Elon trying to turn everything into a conspiracy theory or journalist are playing dumb. This is nothing burger - this is just basic enforcement of some laws, which happen all the time. Just look at the https://www.justice.gov/news/press-releases website and search "Justice Department Sues". They sue everybody and their mother - that's their job.
They're building SPACE ROCKETS. I would imagine even tighter security.
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What disturbs me the most is that there is a kind of activist aspect behind all the corruption... Apparently a lot of people believe and support these corrupt ideologies and portray the corruption as a kind social service and they keep virtue signaling; essentially bragging about their involvement in censorship and anti-freedom hate-mongering. It's like they expect people to thank them for ruining everything and bein…
I can’t tell if you are talking about Musk and his supporters or the DOJ.
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> Sneaking in spies as refugees is a fairly common strategy. Is it really? Are there any examples we can point to? Refugees are often dispossessed and struggling to build a new life. I guess if you want your spies to gather intelligence on what it's like to drive a cab or bus tables in your geopolitical adversaries, then it might be a great cover identity.
I’d absolutely plant cab drivers to spy on my geopolitical adversaries. People who have a plausible explanation to be in and around hotels, airports, industrial areas, and a legitimate reason talk to lots of different people would seem like quite good candidates for spying. Maybe a bit too obvious.
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Hate to tell you it has always been this way. If you are a person of color, you knew in US there is a two tier Justice system and there is a reason why your parents would tell you to never talk to the police. It is good that only after all these years its now dawning on to others especially people from the right ( who would have thought right ). But the bigger point is - selective prosecution, pushing the whole weigh…
Just seems like a politically motivated punishment vs Elon. Out of all the corrupt things US Corps are doing, this is what they are focusing on?
https://www.justice.gov/media/1311656/dl?inline
There are 17 specific examples of instances where Musk/SpaceX were publicly and repeatedly disseminating incorrect information about their hiring requirements (sections 34-51), the appropriate governmental department looked into it, found out that yes, Musk and SpaceX officials were repeatedly providing incorrect and false information, and that the complaints they received were legitimate complaints.
It's not a targeted attack; persons had legitimate grievances against SpaceX, went to the appropriate governmental departments to register their complaints, the department investigated and found out that indeed, Musk and SpaceX were violating the law. The emphasis on Musk is only because there are multiple instances cited in the filing where Musk himself was spreading the incorrect information on his social media sites consistently and repeatedly. Even if we give the most benign understanding that SpaceX just misunderstood the laws, it still was incorrect behavior that needs to be stopped.
I really cannot see this as political motivated; regardless of the reasons SpaceX did this, they were not compliant with the law and actively spreading incorrect information. If it was any other company not Musk-adjacent, probably we wouldn't be having this conversation :) Instead we have another example where Musk and Musk-adjacent companies are being held to tasks for the things they say and actions they've taken which have negatively affected others improperly.
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Political weaponization of the courts is a pretty dangerous can of worms to open.
If the political right does not give a damn about neutral and impartial courts, I guess it‘s fair game to the left as well.