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Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment

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Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment

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I am not saying the government has made a technical mistake, I'm saying the regulation is nonsense. Sneaking in spies as refugees is a fairly common strategy.

Yeah, a refugee who is also a highly qualified rocket scientist should raise some healthy suspicion at the least.

Von Braun was a Nazi spy

Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, a refugee who is also a highly qualified rocket scientist should raise some healthy suspicion at the least.

Von Braun was a Nazi spy

> Von Braun was a Nazi spy

He came to the US after the war in Europe was over. Pretty difficult to spy on behalf of a political regime that no longer exists.

If he was spying for anyone - which I don’t think has ever been seriously alleged, let alone proven - it would’ve been the USSR.

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Hate to tell you it has always been this way. If you are a person of color, you knew in US there is a two tier Justice system and there is a reason why your parents would tell you to never talk to the police. It is good that only after all these years its now dawning on to others especially people from the right (who would have thought right ).

But the bigger point is - selective prosecution, pushing the whole weight of mighty US Justice System to individuals just to overwhelm them knowing fully well this is not typically necessary, special treatment for individuals with axis of connections and credentials - these have been the typical hallmarks of US Justice System.

Sooner we rid of this whole “American exceptionalism” concept the better we are to face the reality which is US is no different than other empires that existed on the face of the planet where nation states and those who really rule it override the so called “we the people”. Yes you plebes have rights and what not and get to have some nice things like social services but you piss off the wrong people and do that enough - you will be behind the bar in no time. Protecting civil rights, protecting rule of law etc are just vessel slogans for this nation state to wave its might and protect its most powerful.

Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment

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At this point, I'm not sure if it's Elon trying to turn everything into a conspiracy theory or journalist are playing dumb.

This is nothing burger - this is just basic enforcement of some laws, which happen all the time. Just look at the https://www.justice.gov/news/press-releases website and search "Justice Department Sues". They sue everybody and their mother - that's their job.

Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment

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Reaction I: This story is only newsworthy "because SpaceX". Reaction II: The statements by the DoJ ("can't discriminate against") and Elan ("at least a green card to be hired") may both be correct...from their respective PoV's: The DoJ is technically right on the law. Vs. Elan knows that any asylees or refugees he hires will, over time, be 100X the legal and security grief that SpaceX has with green cards and citizen…

It’s not on their dime. If they are housing sensitive material to keep away they got an extremely lucrative contract that is likely extremely bloated in their favor.

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What disturbs me the most is that there is a kind of activist aspect behind all the corruption... Apparently a lot of people believe and support these corrupt ideologies and portray the corruption as a kind social service and they keep virtue signaling; essentially bragging about their involvement in censorship and anti-freedom hate-mongering. It's like they expect people to thank them for ruining everything and bein…

I can’t tell if you are talking about Musk and his supporters or the DOJ.

Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment

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> Explaining why this was way off-piste, the DoJ said in a statement yesterday: "Under these regulations, asylees, refugees, lawful permanent residents, US citizens and US nationals working at US companies can access export-controlled items without authorization from the US government. Therefore, these laws do not require SpaceX to treat asylees and refugees differently than US citizens or green card holders."

> Under these regulations ... lawful permanent residents ... can access export-controlled items without authorization from the US government. As someone who works on ITAR-regulated things, that is flat-out wrong.

The text of the law seems to disagree with you?

§ 120.62 U.S. person.

U.S. person means a person who is a lawful permanent resident as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20) or who is a protected individual as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3).

And this seems to be interpreted by people[1] that employing lawful permanent residents does not need export authorisation.

1: https://exportcompliancesolutions.com/blog/2018/09/20/u-s-pe...

Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not saying the government has made a technical mistake, I'm saying the regulation is nonsense. Sneaking in spies as refugees is a fairly common strategy.

> Sneaking in spies as refugees is a fairly common strategy. Is it really? Are there any examples we can point to? Refugees are often dispossessed and struggling to build a new life. I guess if you want your spies to gather intelligence on what it's like to drive a cab or bus tables in your geopolitical adversaries, then it might be a great cover identity.

I’d absolutely plant cab drivers to spy on my geopolitical adversaries. People who have a plausible explanation to be in and around hotels, airports, industrial areas, and a legitimate reason talk to lots of different people would seem like quite good candidates for spying. Maybe a bit too obvious.
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