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The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by everdrive »

seydor wrote: post #21
EMIRELADERO wrote: post #15

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What do you mean "no reason"? The reason is that the user's data privacy rights come first. If interests collide, privacy must come out on top. I'm curious on how you could have missed this ideological position that powers those regulations after years of headlines after headlines about the topic.

europeans did not go to the streets because they were afraid of advertising. politicians ran with it because it sounds good instead they go to the streets because of the awful economy, unemployment, inaccessible housing. Still waiting for a pan-european affordable housing regulation (not gonna happen because EU is run by the boomers)

You’re really not in a position to speak for all Europeans. You’re painting a complex issue with a broad brush, and of course painting it in such a way that it supports your position.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by everdrive »

seydor wrote: post #38
slater wrote: post #22

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Found the online marketing person! And there are plenty of reasons.

if you re in tech your salary depends on advertising money somewhere along the chain

I’d happily take a hit if it meant removing behavioral advertising and tracking from the internet. There’s more to life than making money, but this isn’t really something that “people” in advertising usually understand.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by seydor »

everdrive wrote: post #101
seydor wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

europeans did not go to the streets because they were afraid of advertising. politicians ran with it because it sounds good instead they go to the streets because of the awful economy, unemployment, inaccessible housing. Still waiting for a pan-european affordable housing regulation (not gonna happen because EU is run by the boomers)

You’re really not in a position to speak for all Europeans. You’re painting a complex issue with a broad brush, and of course painting it in such a way that it supports your position.

You don't want to go there. EU is not in position to speak about all Europeans either.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by seydor »

JohnFen wrote: post #62
seydor wrote: post #53

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without online media, computers would be in the sector of scientific instruments

So your assertion is that there would be no online media in the absence of behavioral advertising? I rather suspect that's incorrect, for two reasons. We had plenty of online media before online advertising existed at all, and there are many ways of doing advertising without it being behavioral.

Not plenty and nowhere near as popular

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by seydor »

master-lincoln wrote: post #25
brap wrote: post #4

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EU is a huge fan of shooting itself in the foot with useless regulations, unable to think 1-2 steps ahead. Waiting for someone to tell you why "the destruction of the entire eu online advertising industry" is actually a good thing in their view.

Isn't the destruction of advertising (not just online) a good thing? It's skewing markets by creating demands that were not there before, but only for the big players who can afford to be in peoples faces everywhere. Advertising is often misinforming (or not informing) people about the products/services. It promotes a throwaway society where resources are wasted.

It s surreal to read this comment in a SV VC supported forum

Like anti smoking posters in a phillip morris factory

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by piaste »

seydor wrote: post #105
master-lincoln wrote: post #25

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Isn't the destruction of advertising (not just online) a good thing? It's skewing markets by creating demands that were not there before, but only for the big players who can afford to be in peoples faces everywhere. Advertising is often misinforming (or not informing) people about the products/services. It promotes a throwaway society where resources are wasted.

It s surreal to read this comment in a SV VC supported forum Like anti smoking posters in a phillip morris factory

That's a brilliant analogy in a way you probably didn't intend.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by orwin »

seydor wrote: post #80
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #28

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> The EU is just protecting its own partner states' IT industries Doesn’t the GDPR go back to a largely grassroots effort, including from members of the Pirate Party phenomenon that people initially scoffed at? I have no doubt that there has been local IT lobbying, but one cannot deny some level of true popular will.

The green party was a small german party with lots of access to powerful eu people I very much doubt this was anywhere near "grassroots" to the italians That is not even how eu politics work

The pirate party, not the green party, had a bit of support in Scandinavia, a lot less in Germany, and in France, in 2011, they could barely present 200 candidates in 50k areas, and i'm pretty sure their only access to 'powerful' people was the condescending sympathy of a single billionaire and maybe some secret service.

And a single member in the French parliament (900+) ever listened to pro-liberty lobbies like lqdn, and fought for it. So yes, it's pretty grassroots.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by seydor »

orwin wrote: post #107
seydor wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The green party was a small german party with lots of access to powerful eu people I very much doubt this was anywhere near "grassroots" to the italians That is not even how eu politics work

The pirate party, not the green party, had a bit of support in Scandinavia, a lot less in Germany, and in France, in 2011, they could barely present 200 candidates in 50k areas, and i'm pretty sure their only access to 'powerful' people was the condescending sympathy of a single billionaire and maybe some secret service. And a single member in the French parliament (900+) ever listened to pro-liberty lobbies like lqd…

the gdpr was initiated by german greens

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by M95D »

legitster wrote: post #99
btbuildem wrote: post #34

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I really wish Canada would grow a pair, and stand up to the big social media platforms -- especially in the light of the latest shenanigans with the availability of / paying for news. Whichever side of that debate you fall on, you have to admit that meta et al are in a position to strong-arm a country and have an impact on its laws. That's a terrible precedent, already having played out in Australia. Anything that ch…

Canada is saying FB has to pay if they want news on their platform. FB doesn't make any money off of promoting news articles for free, so they take news off their platform. What's the controversy? Was FB just supposed to pay for news out of their own goodwill? I'm no Meta defender but I'm also very confused about what the legislators thought the law was supposed to do.

> what the legislators thought the law was supposed to do.

I suppose it was to protect the (online) newspapers? In a more general way, not let the internet become facebooknet?

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by asu_thomas »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #28
asu_thomas wrote: post #23

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Why would it? The EU is just protecting its own member states' IT industries and its own interest in undermining encrypted communications.

> The EU is just protecting its own partner states' IT industries Doesn’t the GDPR go back to a largely grassroots effort, including from members of the Pirate Party phenomenon that people initially scoffed at? I have no doubt that there has been local IT lobbying, but one cannot deny some level of true popular will.

> one cannot deny some level of true popular will

I have never even heard anyone suggest such a thing. Whether a fringe grassroots privacy politics effort existed in Sweden at the time is not up for debate. It absolutely did, but it was not "popular" by any stretch of the imagination. Average voters simply don't care about privacy, no matter which country you're in.

The EU was explicitly formed to compete with the US economically. Nobody should be surprised if their most flagship legislation to date is motivated by the same intent.

Furthermore, it is being generous to say the EU is a pseudo-democratic institution. If an actually popular privacy movement did exist in Sweden at some point, the chances of it penetrating the EU are slim to none, and the chances of it having any political influence in the EU are even lower.

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