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So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by johnnyanmac »

raincole wrote: post #35

I don't know why people just can't use plain old forums. I've got a lot help from KVR (a forum for music making) since I started learning DAW. It works fine. If authentication is a problem then just let users login with their discord/twitter/reddit accounts? Is it the lacking of "one-click setup" forum services?

I don't know, why didn't people use Google+ instead of Facebook? or Mixer instead of Twitch? or even Linux instead of Windows?

They all have the same issue of a Network effect[1] to overcome. Sure, I can whip up or take over a dead forum today and dictate the direction, but I will likely struggle to get a dozen users in a month, let alone a dozen comments. Meanwhile, there are probably 12 new sign ups for reddit as I type this message.

There's dozens of reasons why this is hard to overcome, but to put it bluntly: people don't leave if they are comfortable with what they got. if Reddit works for someone, why search out for some forum that doesn't show up on search to find maybe 12 comments abut something, when reddit has hundreds of posts to read? Users are metaphorically lazy, and the biggest sites feed into that.

[1]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesbusinesscouncil/2022/10/1...

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by johnnyanmac »

disambiguation wrote: post #77

Anything less than face-to-face socializing is a degraded social experience. Arguing over healthier forms of social media is like arguing over the healthiest fast food chain. It's just not good for you.

well, when face to face socializing is breaking down, you gotta do what you can to cope. I can learn how to cook healthier food, I can't force people to want to go out for lunch or whatnot.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by johnnyanmac »

tristan_ph wrote: post #16

Use twitter and reddit to promote your blog.

Haha, you think reddit values OC? They love to say they do, but then you get caught in spam filters, reported for "self promotion" (because how dare you use a proper blogging site over reddit's markdown self post), and overall called a shill because you don't revolve your life around reddit before daring to share something you thought the community would resonate in.

It can be done, but it just shows another hypocritical angle of that community.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by gabereiser »

gaws wrote: post #132
gabereiser wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So long as you have the nitro. I’m with you and I think it’s entirely ignorance and hubris. To be fair to discord, I think they know this. They know their product market fit, they know their audience. Their customers are those community managers that like shiny things and surveillance powers. The fault is entirely on those community managers thinking their customers would like it too.

> So long as you have the nitro. What do you mean? Nitro doesn't offer much besides using cross-server emojis and custom profiles.

Do you run a community on Discord? Nitro levels enable more community features.

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360028038352-S...

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by eurusd »

kemayo wrote: post #6

> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon, so we should be on the lookout for an alternative over the next five years. Discord's fine for what it is, but it's also a fundamentally different thing than social media or forums or a support-site. Projects that try to funnel everything onto Discord are (a) losing anyone who thinks joining an 800 person chatroom doesn't sound fun,…

The entire 3D printing community has switched to discord there is no more forum, blogs or something else; even reddit was not able to compete with discord, and that was before the blackout in June. Since then, a lot of 3D printing subreddits are closed or only accessible in archive mode. So what does it means in practice?

I have 30 different discord servers on the 3D printing topic (across the others i use for gaming or friends), each with 50+ different channels, not counting subchannels. For the Voron 3D Printing, i have the official Discord + 4 other fans discords including 3 in my local language. You cannot read everything, as chats are mixing high quality information but also random chats not usefull.

Some discords are only available if you pay a montly fee on Patreon Some discords are completely empty but make a "news announcement" some times to times that is not published elsewhere that is why i keep them in my list You have to manually pickup the notification otherwise some servers are constantly spamming.

Of course you cannot search across all discords at the same time and discord is picky with typos so if you search "pizze" across the pizza-discordverse you will get nothing specifically for each precise component reference, you have to search the servers 1 by 1, this is really painfull Discord is trying to create their version of reddit threads but that is shitty and not usefull in practice

It was a fantastic platform back to the covid period but now it's becoming very complex and not usable; the main pain point is that (as instagram) is it not indexed on any search engine.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by RaisingSpear »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #145
RaisingSpear wrote: post #22

> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon Discord was enshittified years ago. It's just that nothing really changed recently, unlike Twitter/Reddit, so it's not making the news. You've got a platform that's completely inaccessible without an account. Acquiring an account often requires handing over a mobile number. And Discord can then ban you arbitrarily, despite never post…

> Acquiring an account often requires handing over a mobile number. depends on the server. I've only ran into telephone verifications on one server. But I've made 3 accounts with no more issue than HN or Reddit. >And that doesn't cover the five minute rigamarole of logging in I'm not sure I've ever been captcha'd on Discord. Is this a recent thing?

I think if Discord thinks your IP is suspicious, they'll force you to enter in a mobile number when registering an account (this is obviously before joining any server).

I'm guessing the captcha is the same - your device/IP is probably considered 'safe' by Discord.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by gaws »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #146
gaws wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has anyone figured out a way to remove the phone number attached to an account?

Does the official instructions not work? https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4413460214807-... Never attached a number so can't test myself.

No. Discord defaults to using only a phone number for verification.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by nunez »

dottjt wrote: post #147
nunez wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was the case before many of the moderators of those communities left in protest of Reddit's API changes. Whether that will stay the case remains to be seen.

I'm not sure how the moderators are relevant. The communities still exist. The moderator isn't the community itself.

Moderators enforce quality thresholds and keep trolls out that makes those communities possible.

They used lots of custom bots to do this. Many, such as bots that detected abuse from users, used Pushshift, an API and front-end for crawling through archived Reddit posts. (Reddit's API limits you to 1000 posts/thread and has rate limits on the number of posts you can search through.)

Apollo and other apps aside, a large chunk of the protests from moderators were because of how the API would render their moderation bots completely useless and Reddit's inability to provide better alternatives.

Most vocal amongst them was the moderation team of /r/AskHistorians, an extremely well-curated sub that heavily used bots to enforce their very high submission and participation standards.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by vGPU »

RamenJunkie_ wrote: post #142
vGPU wrote: post #74

I agree with the writer. When Apollo got shut down, my usage of Reddit died with it. The occasional skim on BuildaPCsales aside, it’s utility has rapidly approached zero for me, and the old subs that I used to browse have taken a noticeable dive in quality to the point where it’s not worth my time to read them. The same with twitter. I tried twitter for 2-3 months. I found the quality of almost the entire user base t…

Same here. some 600k+ Karma and like 13 years on the platform and I completely quit when Baconreader broke. I added /r/gamedeals and /r/gamebundles and the Fortnite ststus bot to my RSS reader and that's all I follow at all now.

My first account was probably 10 years ago. This was back when r/bodybuilding and WSB were still good.

I had pretty much stopped using Reddit a few months before the news broke just because the overall quality was so low outside of a few niche fintech subs. When the announcement popped up on Apollo I sent the dev a nice tip as a thank you for his work on top of the Apollo premium (?) I had already purchased a few years back, then I uninstalled it and never looked back.

Doesn’t help that trying to use Reddit in mobile safari is such a painful experience. I still haven’t figured out how to do a subreddit search, and at this point I don’t really care to.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by disambiguation »

nickthegreek wrote: post #130
disambiguation wrote: post #77

Anything less than face-to-face socializing is a degraded social experience. Arguing over healthier forms of social media is like arguing over the healthiest fast food chain. It's just not good for you.

I'll let me friends who moved all over the states know that I cannot continue this degrading social experience. They should find time to regularly fly here and be with me.

> They should find time to regularly fly here and be with me.

This but unironically

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