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Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by sanderjd »

ModernMech wrote: post #180
com2kid wrote: post #146

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> Is this a better price than a licensed therapist? Yes Good luck finding a licensed therapist who has bookings or availability. In Seattle I have had almost 0 luck over multiple years, and I have talked to many other people who have had the exact same amount of luck. The very few therapists around here who do specialize in ADHD either specialize in children, or they are so booked up they don't even bother with a wai…

Yup, all we hear about constantly from politicians is that there’s a mental health crisis. Every time there’s a mass shooting, they blame mental health. Okay, fine, we all agree this is a problem, so why can’t I find a therapist? Why can’t my bipolar 1 ex wife find a psychiatrist? She’s batshit manic right now telling the cops I’m breaking into her apartment stealing antique doll dresses for crying out loud. How does…

Honestly this is one of those times when ranting is wholly appropriate.

All I could think while looking for a little mental health support this past year as a relatively wealthy and high functioning person was "god, what in the actual hell do people who are a lot sicker and a lot poorer than me do?". Of course the tragic answer is "things just go really badly for them".

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by ModernMech »

esharte wrote: post #84
christalwang wrote: post #21

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Coaching works best for those who are ready for forward movement: unlike most types of therapy, coaching is goal-oriented / solution-oriented and requires the member to be in a good enough space to want to look into the future & put in the work. Often members use therapy / medication in tandem with coaching. Coaching works least effectively for those with severe comorbidities like depression/anxiety/bi-polar that are…

"Coaching works best for those who are ready for forward movement" Meaning "if our product doesn't work, it's really your fault"

I read it as “you get out of it what you put into it”

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by ModernMech »

hinkley wrote: post #64
hartator wrote: post #23

Funny this is one of the most distracting blog posts I've read in a bit. Emojis everywhere, boxes, Intercom, sign up to the newsletter, animations, confusing wordings, multiple colors for the text. I doubt the author has a grasping of ADHD.

I know a pair of BFFs who both have ADD. Watching them try to have one conversation is quite eye opening. And a bit exhausting. I'm thinking back to every conversation I've ever had with a polymath or a person with ADD and asking myself, "man, is this what everyone else experienced listening to me?" No wonder the conversations always devolved to 1:1. People with ADD understand why they shouldn't distract others, but…

I’ve been talking with a new friend who has ADHD, and I love the way we talk and interact. We say that we have “motor mouths” because we’ll just talk and talk and talk. We talk over eachother and interrupt eachother constantly, but somehow we are still able to communicate. Other people get upset with me but she really gets what it’s like, so we accept eachother and just go with the flow.

Does anyone know if there is a dating app for people with adhd? I’m curious if I have this kind of connection with other people as well or if it’s just her.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by ModernMech »

Justsignedup wrote: post #78
hinkley wrote: post #64

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I know a pair of BFFs who both have ADD. Watching them try to have one conversation is quite eye opening. And a bit exhausting. I'm thinking back to every conversation I've ever had with a polymath or a person with ADD and asking myself, "man, is this what everyone else experienced listening to me?" No wonder the conversations always devolved to 1:1. People with ADD understand why they shouldn't distract others, but…

Ironically my friend married someone with ADHD, they visited us, and me and her took a walk, that ended up being 4 hours because it was so effortless for us to just jump topic to topic and talk about 10 different things in detail at the same time. We didn't have to re-focus or focus our energy to keep pace with normal people's way of speaking. It was the wildest and easiest conversation I've ever had in my life.

Yes! This is what I’m talking about in my sibling post. I’ve never communicated on this level and it’s so easy. We started by texting giant walls of text (we called them stories), but those started getting too long, so we moved to leaving voice memos. It got to the point our memos were 30 minutes long back and forth. Now we talk on the phone for hours and it’s almost impossible to hang up, since we’ll just keep talking and taking.

And yeah, I definitely understand what you mean when you say it’s wild and easy. I don’t know if I can go back to talking with normal people lol.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by sanderjd »

rendx wrote: post #57
kstrauser wrote: post #27

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I'm not on that team, but: that doesn't meet my experience in the slightest. My parents are great, and I didn't have any significant childhood trauma. In retrospect, my symptoms went back to when I was a wee little lad, well before I had to deal with any of life's curveballs.

Well, that theory says that typically memories of traumatic events are repressed and show up only in form of symptoms like ADHD. Your "claim" that you had a non-traumatic childhood (and your parents did neither?) does not invalidate that theory. It's interesting how I was downvoted. I am just curious, I am not saying one or the other is "true". I have no idea, I am not a professional. However, I do think it is a rele…

I didn't downvote you but I honestly just hate this kind of thing.

"You didn't have childhood trauma you say? Sounds just like something somebody who did have childhood trauma would say!"

Like what the hell are you supposed to say to something like this?

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by eloisius »

mabcat wrote: post #187
cryophobic wrote: post #174

I've observed some negativity in this discussion, and it appears that many comments might be based on assumptions about Shimmer. While some criticism centers on how the service is worded, I think looking at the bigger picture is essential. How many of these commenters have founded a business that has faced the level of scrutiny they're applying here? Have they taken the time to speak with someone who has worked with…

Agree. Shimmer is currently in the "assume good faith" category and it would help everyone if commenters gave feedback and asked questions from this perspective. From what I've seen of Shimmer, the rapid-fire negativity in this discussion is not warranted. I have run a mental health startup. Criticism is constant and highly energised, and it really wears you down after a while. I expect they're also copping it from e…

In my opinion all of these mental wellness apps start out in the good faith category but will transition to borderline scam. Same as most VC startups. Mental health service providers are expensive, and trying to get equivalent services at rock-bottom AppStore prices isn’t going to work. They’ll build up some reputation using VC money, and then when the time is right they’ll sneakily reword their site and introduce some “AI” component. Mark my words.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by p1necone »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #158
p1necone wrote: post #143

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> we changed the language so it didn't seem like they were providing medical services at all You are providing medical services, trying to claim you aren't is absurd. Changing the wording to claim you aren't to avoid legal liability is exactly the kind of deception people are calling you out on.

You should go upthread and argue with this guy, seems like the two of you are at the same level of yelling-for-fun > You are not providing licensed medical services. Just come out and say it, since it's true.

I don't think we're disagreeing. They're providing medical services, but they aren't providing licensed medical services.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by jameslk »

I'm curious to hear more about the privacy and security practices of a service where you divulge your deepest darkest secret: that you're living with a disorder. Something that unscrupulous potential employers or others with nefarious intentions (e.g. bullies on the internet) can abuse.

The privacy policy on the website doesn't exactly fill me with "this is HIPAA levels of privacy" feelings. It seems rather generic with the typical "marketing information we collect" type of language, and a dearth of information around data protection, but I'm no expert in this stuff: https://www.shimmer.care/privacy

If I'm using this service, talking about all my goals, plans, challenges, shortcomings, being vulnerable, all over video, how do I know that it's protected? What protections are in place to know any video calls are secure and not going to be leaked on e.g. TikTok?

I know how hard it is to run a startup and get all the compliance checkboxes checked. I'm rooting for services like these instead of drugs or other worse alternatives being pushed. I just think if you're in the health space, this is a rather important thing to get right!

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