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Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by christalwang »

ablyveiled wrote: post #28
christalwang wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Appreciate this; curious your perspective on best-in-class solutions (aside from stimulant drugs) for insufficient brain energy? I'm always looking for holistic solution sets. Also some of our members (for various reasons) can't or won't take medication (which is a whole other conversation) so any behavioral or natural solutions I love to be aware of.

In the interest of brevity, here's a good summary video of Peat's nutritional ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb2F8xLQMvw

Wow, 3-min video. Exactly what I needed, thank you. Super interesting, I'm going to look into his work more.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by scrollaway »

p1necone wrote: post #143
christalwang wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We weren't advertising anything that isn't true. We do have qualified mental health professionals on our coaching team (many of them are), but we changed the language so it didn't seem like they were providing medical services at all. The threads here helped us understand how it was coming off (not in terms of true or not, but in terms of how it read/implied) so we switched the ordering. Happy to expand more or chang…

> we changed the language so it didn't seem like they were providing medical services at all You are providing medical services, trying to claim you aren't is absurd. Changing the wording to claim you aren't to avoid legal liability is exactly the kind of deception people are calling you out on.

Hey maybe take it down a bit? It’s not absurd that they aren’t providing medical services. Right now it feels like you just want to shit on them as much as possible and your responses quickly shifted from “feedback” to “fuck you”.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by joe_guy »

com2kid wrote: post #146
thenerdhead wrote: post #138

I see a hundred of these companies that apparently "specialize in ADHD". I see them all in the same light unfortunately of profiteering in various ways around the incompetent medical system the US has. Is this a better price than a licensed therapist? Yes Is this a more practical solution than what you might get? Yes But it just feels ethically wrong to promote your services to people who are "undiagnosed" or "think…

> Is this a better price than a licensed therapist? Yes Good luck finding a licensed therapist who has bookings or availability. In Seattle I have had almost 0 luck over multiple years, and I have talked to many other people who have had the exact same amount of luck. The very few therapists around here who do specialize in ADHD either specialize in children, or they are so booked up they don't even bother with a wai…

A therapist friend recommended I use https://psychologytoday.com/us/ to search.

I had reasonable lucky but ymmv.

Not affiliated/etc.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by fredgrott »

Hi Chris,

When I started my research on my own ADHD condition and nootropics I found out that 27% of the USA jail population has ADHD.

Curious about other stats about ADHD in other populations, for example how much of the drug abuse population has ADHD for example.

Curious about what you might have found upon such areas of inquiry..

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by sph »

tapland wrote: post #132

The landing page has way too much text. I don't see how the average person with ADHD would get through it to the service offered

Indeed, I have ADHD and it's evening now, so I got no meds in me.

With my hamster brain, I saw a wall of text at the top of this page, clicked the link, a wall of text on the landing page, even the title is too much information to digest. I literally have no idea what this thing does, and I won't allocate any effort in diving deeper. Focus is precious, I don't give that away easily.

I don't want to make assumptions, but this seems it has been done and designed by someone that has no idea how ADHD works.

Here's the ideal landing page for a product like this tailored for us: a clear tagline, 3 bullet points, pricing, and a FAQ section. That's it. Anything else is completely wasted on us.

People with ADHD like me don't read, they skim for anchor points. Even under the magical effect of amphetamines, unless I am deeply engaged, reading one sentence after the other is asking too much, especially since I learned to extract a ton of information from skimming and by the shape of things on a page. 80% of prose is filler after all.

In any case, good luck and I hope this help reaches those that need it and cannot afford focus in pill form.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by graypegg »

That’s a lot of text for a landing page targeting people with ADHD.

After a quick skim of it, I still don’t know why shimmer is any different than any other e-therapy service.

Edit: just noticed you mentioned the stream lining of your site in your also very-long-post. The sign up is a type form. Why? That’s actually another barrier to signing up, and it feels weird being “off site”.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by lazyasciiart »

p1necone wrote: post #143
christalwang wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We weren't advertising anything that isn't true. We do have qualified mental health professionals on our coaching team (many of them are), but we changed the language so it didn't seem like they were providing medical services at all. The threads here helped us understand how it was coming off (not in terms of true or not, but in terms of how it read/implied) so we switched the ordering. Happy to expand more or chang…

> we changed the language so it didn't seem like they were providing medical services at all You are providing medical services, trying to claim you aren't is absurd. Changing the wording to claim you aren't to avoid legal liability is exactly the kind of deception people are calling you out on.

You should go upthread and argue with this guy, seems like the two of you are at the same level of yelling-for-fun

> You are not providing licensed medical services. Just come out and say it, since it's true.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by lazyasciiart »

NegativeLatency wrote: post #94
christalwang wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We definitely are not trying to pass as a medical service. However, we do our due diligence to make sure we have medical staff on board to advise us on our protocols, services, train our staff, supervise our staff, and to stand in if there is any escalation needed. We hope it's clear Dr. Anil himself is not coaching and very happy to make things more clear by adding his title to the front of the card.

It's absurd to claim that you're not trying to pass as a medical service when you're offering coaching for a neurological condition. You can argue medical vs healthcare or whatever semantics you want but if it quacks like a duck it's a duck.

A good school would provide this. Does that make them a medical service? Or is this actually educational?

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by jonnyreiss »

joe_guy wrote: post #153
com2kid wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is this a better price than a licensed therapist? Yes Good luck finding a licensed therapist who has bookings or availability. In Seattle I have had almost 0 luck over multiple years, and I have talked to many other people who have had the exact same amount of luck. The very few therapists around here who do specialize in ADHD either specialize in children, or they are so booked up they don't even bother with a wai…

A therapist friend recommended I use https://psychologytoday.com/us/ to search. I had reasonable lucky but ymmv. Not affiliated/etc.

I've had success with Psychology Today search in the Seattle area --- if a provider is full or has no openings, ask if they know anyone who is not. That has also helped me!
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