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So either way I an ok with that, if I say nothing I also don’t where I am at. If someone tells me it is 30% below then thanks and good bye.
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Personally, I just wouldn't work with a recruiter who did that. That sort of behavior is a red flag to me.
What would you do instead? Ask for another recruiter?
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Software IS writing. Software IS literature. You might disagree right now but that’s what it is.
right, literature nobody outside the company is allowed to read. Just like plumbing is literature, except with pipes.
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> why would a software dev have a portfolio? For the same reason artists do -- to show a potential employer what you're capable of and what your style is. Look at it from the employer's point of view -- they have very little to go on when judging ability. If you can provide examples of your work, then you're reducing their uncertainty and giving yourself an edge for the position. > I'm not going to put proprietary co…
>> why would a software dev have a portfolio? > For the same reason artists do They're asking more how it would happen, less for what purpose. Artists automatically accumulate portfolios by doing work that gets displayed in public. Programmers who work on closed-source programs don't—unless they supplement their work-for-pay in ways that artists aren't expected to. The artist's history of work itself is how they get…
> The artist's history of work itself is how they get more work; the programmer's isn't.
It's just a recommended strategy, not a requirement. In general, it's a great idea to identify a customer's pain points and reduce them. When you're looking for a job, the companies you're talking to are the customers. The easier you make things for the interviewer, the more you can reduce their pain points, the better your chances for the position.
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> From that point of view, I am always surprised to hear people who hate interviewing, are reluctant to interview, etc. Interviewing is the only real way to learn "the market" Interviewing may be the best way to gather market information, but does that make it surprising that people hate doing it? There are very few activities I hate more than taking part in a job interview (on either side of the desk). That it's use…
>but does that make it surprising that people hate doing it? When an activity validates you, it's tough to imagine other people having the opposite experience with it. Imagine every time you went to a round of interviews you were offered riches and status. It would be tough to understand why others just didn't muster up the gumption to go downtown and get what they're worth.
> It would be tough to understand why others just didn't muster up the gumption to go downtown and get what they're worth.
If I were guaranteed to make a million dollars and/or gain high status by cleaning a cesspool, that wouldn't make cleaning the cesspool any more pleasant.
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This kind of strategy seems a bizarre one for a company. "Let's figure out how to systematically pay our employees less than they're really worth." How is that any kind of long-term plan? To really move the needle you'd have to do it a LOT -- but then you've selected on employees who lack knowledge about their own power. Those are going to be systematically different (probably not in a good way?) from employees who a…
> This kind of strategy seems a bizarre one for a company. "Let's figure out how to systematically pay our employees less than they're really worth." so we established that the revenue of the company belongs to the employees that worked for it, but the company has to skimm at least the operating costs before payout as otherwise it would make a loss. but most companies have an obligation to make profit, so there is no…
Where did we establish this? Because it's not true, especially in a strictly legal sense.
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I make around 600k. My employer has enough cash in the bank to give every single full time employee a bonus of more than half a million dollars. Net income per quarter is something like 100k per full time employee. Yes, I am incredibly fortunate. Yes, I make a very very large amount of money compared to a typical american worker. Still, I capture only a fraction of the value I generate for my employer.
// I make around 600k ... Still, I capture only a fraction of the value I generate for my employer. There seems to be a two way street here. Presumably if you could make 600K or more by yourself, you'd be doing that rather than working for your employer. Your employer, likely way before you got there, created an environment where you could come in and earn this much. If they and companies of that profile didn't exist…
I used to work in trading and I think some of the principles I learned there apply directly to salary negotiations. Two key things I think about all the time are price discovery and competition. Price discovery means that in some illiquid markets, you don't really know what a thing will trade at unless you try to trade it (which itself reveals some information to the counterparty but that's not important in the job c…
> I used to work in trading and I think some of the principles I learned there apply directly to salary negotiations. I think exactly zero of those principles apply (assuming you are talking about stock exchange trades). All these types of "technical analysis" on price-discovery during negotiations is fairly pointless. There's only one rule that works when personally doing a trade with someone:(whether you're negotia…
If you are picking a surgeons based on this criteria, you are paying way too much for a 10 minutes conversation aka bedside manners. I personally will go with the rudest mf-er that will fix me right the first time.
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It's hard to see how making $400k offers is exploiting the worker, rather than the worker exploiting the company.
I make around 600k. My employer has enough cash in the bank to give every single full time employee a bonus of more than half a million dollars. Net income per quarter is something like 100k per full time employee. Yes, I am incredibly fortunate. Yes, I make a very very large amount of money compared to a typical american worker. Still, I capture only a fraction of the value I generate for my employer.
I think this is a misunderstanding of how companies perceive value. You could be making your company a billion dollars a year, but if any schmuck off the street could do the same you're not actually providing much value at all. Your value is the difference between what you provide and what a similar replacement worker would provide.
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I make around 600k. My employer has enough cash in the bank to give every single full time employee a bonus of more than half a million dollars. Net income per quarter is something like 100k per full time employee. Yes, I am incredibly fortunate. Yes, I make a very very large amount of money compared to a typical american worker. Still, I capture only a fraction of the value I generate for my employer.
> I capture only a fraction of the value I generate for my employer. I think this is a misunderstanding of how companies perceive value. You could be making your company a billion dollars a year, but if any schmuck off the street could do the same you're not actually providing much value at all. Your value is the difference between what you provide and what a similar replacement worker would provide.