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Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

AdamN wrote: post #131
nonethewiser wrote: post #66

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And 3 years later in 2017 there are drugs and sex problems. > Nine service personnel on a nuclear submarine have been discharged from the Royal Navy after testing positive for drugs. > The revelations come after claims earlier this month of inappropriate sexual relationships among some of those on board HMS Vigilant, one of four Vanguard Class submarines which maintain the UK's nuclear deterrent and is armed with Tri…

People have been having sex on naval ships long before there were women on them ... same goes with doing drugs.

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Post by duxup »

paganel wrote: post #108
duxup wrote: post #23

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I worry that MAD requires the other actors to have accurate information, and act rationally. When an “insane” person makes the call I fear the entire system of deterrence falls apart…

Funny how personalist most of the West suddenly becomes when things don't go their way, case in point the current government in Moscow. Nevermind that Putin is by far not the only highly placed Russian official that was of the opinion that this current war should take place, it all happened because he is an "insane" person, damn the system as a whole. As a matter of fact that's also what happened with the Nazi white-…

If Putin offered to end the war and walk away to some cushy retirement I’m pretty sure everyone would take the deal… including Ukraine.

That’s not strange, that’s just compromise.

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Post by anonymous_sorry »

zo1 wrote: post #158
anonymous_sorry wrote: post #142

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> I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place Uh, unless you're in the habit of saying things like "I want to rape her, her and her, lol", it's really not anything to be stressed about. If you make an innocent mistake, someone may tell you about it and you get to learn something. That's it.

It's not about raping, wow you have a low opinion of men. It's about the sexual tension, the emotions, jealousy, consensual pairing causing drama, etc. And why is no one asking women if they even want to be in such a spot. I know I'd feel odd if the genders were reversed and it was a very female dominated space that was asking me to be one of the 10% of men quota.

> It's not about raping

That was a direct reference to the article linked by the grandparent of my original post, regarding bullying suffered by women serving on UK nuclear subs.

Someone responded to that with a comment I read as "yeah, working with women can be a minefield". Sorry if it seemed a bit out of the blue.

> It's about the sexual tension, the emotions, jealousy, consensual pairing causing drama, etc.

Surely this is just part of the human experience. Learning to deal with it is part of growing up. That's not to diminish the difficulty experienced by people going through this stuff, but what's the alternative?

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Post by adhesive_wombat »

elzbardico wrote: post #150
tpurves wrote: post #97

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I think about that sort of description when people talk about colonizing space, or mars or the moon. Would it even be ethical to bear children on such a colony who, not by choice, would have to live their lives confined to a cramped habitat that would probably feel a lot like living in a submarine?

At least on a spaceship you have portholes, and ocasionally could even do EVA. And probably it is far easier to ensure the integrity of a hull designed to keep an 1 atm pressure differential than at 14

The other thing that space has going for it is that vacuum isn't salty or humid.

You might have to drift quite a bit longer before rescue, however.

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Post by alwayseasy »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #159
pohuing wrote: post #151

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Question is if you lose consciousness before the pain hits

Being hard and small, the tuna can can produce much more localised and sharp pain. If the whole tuna is dropped on your lower body from the third floor and turns it into mush it would also hurt though. But I still vote for tuna can.

A dropped 500g can of tuna from the third floor aimed at your lower body will hurt less than 250kg of tuna dropped from the same height.

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Post by [deleted] »

gizajob wrote: post #113
vkou wrote: post #76

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The UK, France, China, and Israel are more than an order of magnitude under the US and Russia in their nuclear armament, and Pakistan, India, and NK are another order below them.

There's also the number actually in use - the UK has four nuclear submarines, one of which is always at sea, so can only ever really launch 1/4 of it's armament. The rest will be sitting somewhere when the big day comes, never to be used.

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Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

alwayseasy wrote: post #165
4gotunameagain wrote: post #159

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Being hard and small, the tuna can can produce much more localised and sharp pain. If the whole tuna is dropped on your lower body from the third floor and turns it into mush it would also hurt though. But I still vote for tuna can.

A dropped 500g can of tuna from the third floor aimed at your lower body will hurt less than 250kg of tuna dropped from the same height.

Most definitely, but a can of tuna shot by a tuna can cannon? The argument does not specify similar circumstances!

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Post by knodi123 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #15
knodi123 wrote: post #12

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In the Smarter Every Day video, they're literally under a polar ice cap. I would think that location plays a big role.

How much cooler could it be to make such a stark difference? 0C under the ice vs 4C in the Atlantic UK waters?

saline water can get colder without freezing.

likewise deep water is under high pressure, which also lowers the freezing point.

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Post by hilbert42 »

anonymous_sorry wrote: post #142
hilbert42 wrote: post #37

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Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…

> I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place Uh, unless you're in the habit of saying things like "I want to rape her, her and her, lol", it's really not anything to be stressed about. If you make an innocent mistake, someone may tell you about it and you get to learn something. That's it.

First, I'd never think that let alone would I ever say it. If a woman wasn't mutually interested in having sex then all thoughts would be off. As for rape, I find the notion so abhorrent and disrespectful of the victim that if forced at gunpoint to commit the act it'd still be off because I'd be incapable of an erection.

The issues are with both innocent mistakes and of those of which one is not even aware of having made, and of the fact that if accused of sexual harassment or rape and even if found completely innocent—which is seemingly increasingly difficult to do—then some mud will still stick because that's the first thing people will remember whenever one's name is mentioned.

Fortunately, I've never been accused but I'm increasing aware of the possibility—just being male puts one in the risk zone.

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Post by Floegipoky »

Gareth321 wrote: post #129
littlestymaar wrote: post #115

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> I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. As a male, I can assure you that the types of comments that you think “pass without thought” isn't considered desirable by all of your fellow male colleagues either. Sure they won't necessarily complaint…

> As a male, I can assure you that the types of comments that you think “pass without thought” isn't considered desirable by all of your fellow male colleagues either. Sure they won't necessarily complaint about it publicly, but they'll still see you in a negative way. You seem to have missed his point. It isn't whether his comments are considered desirable. He doesn't care, and neither do I. It is whether comments a…

* "I am very careful never to be alone in a room with a woman"

* "I don't 'banter' with women because I am worried that one of my comments, however harmless in intent, will be perceived poorly"

Don't you think these behaviors are negatively impacting the careers of these women?

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