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Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by systems_glitch »

frumper wrote: post #732
throwaway2037 wrote: post #729

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You are paying a mechanic face to face with a stolen credit card? Man, this whole string of posts has become utterly farcical.

I’m confused. You’re under the impression people don’t use stolen cards face to face? The sibling commented about AC service being charged to his stolen card. A credit card is easier to use than a bad check. I’ve never seen anyone take a check without ID.

Yeah, apparently people do that. I write "ASK FOR ID" in the signature area on my credit cards, and have never once been asked for ID, so it's at least been my personal experience that no one really looks at a credit card when handed one. Perhaps it's a totally unique and isolated experience :P

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by ghaff »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #753
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #700

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Jesus that's freaky. Talk about government overreach.

This seems like a pretty basic thing for a government to do. They need to know your address for a lot of things. For example: taxes (notification that you need to file, your returns, etc). Voting (they send your voters pass to your registered address), fines (if you get caught by a speed camera they need to know where the car’s owner lives). Reminders that you need to renew your car’s annual inspection. Etc. How woul…

I live in the US and most of those are not a thing.

I need to file taxes but no one sends me a reminder. My town asks me to verify my address once a year but nothing (other than possibly being eventually removed from voting rolls) happens if I don't. Driver's license and registration are supposed to be your current address but again I'm not sure anything especially happens if they aren't. No one sends me anything to remind me to get my inspection updated.

So I have a supposedly current address on file with various government agencies but AFAIK there is absolutely no rule that, if I pick up and move I have to tell anyone. I do need to file taxes correctly although, as I wrote elsewhere, if I don't have a permanent address that's simultaneously perfectly legal and something of an edge case.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

tekknik wrote: post #704
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #680

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> Since nobody carries cash, nobody thinks that other people are carrying cash, so it doesn't make you a target. Thugs will target older people who are more likely to carry cash, they do some stereotyping other of people who are still worth mugging. Also, if they notice the wallet bulge in your back pocket, you’ve become a target.

Well this works well until it doesn’t. My elderly father doesn’t carry cash, only card, but yet it would look like he has a large wad of cash in his front pocket. It is in fact a legally concealed handgun however.

False positives don’t negate the stereotype.

And anything that doesn’t look like a wallet probably won’t trigger a response. You would be safer to just wad up money and shove it in your pocket than to carry it around in a wallet.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by orion_uranus »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #756
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #753

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This seems like a pretty basic thing for a government to do. They need to know your address for a lot of things. For example: taxes (notification that you need to file, your returns, etc). Voting (they send your voters pass to your registered address), fines (if you get caught by a speed camera they need to know where the car’s owner lives). Reminders that you need to renew your car’s annual inspection. Etc. How woul…

> This seems like a pretty basic thing for a government to do. Then why is it only EU countries and authoritarian governments that do it? > They need to know your address for a lot of things. And when those things come up, they can ask your address. But requiring people to register in general is a step too far.

> They need to know your address for a lot of things.

>> And when those things come up, they can ask your address.

How would they do that if they don't have your address? For example: a decent amount of elderly don't use the internet, how would they be contacted?

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

orion_uranus wrote: post #764
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #756

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> This seems like a pretty basic thing for a government to do. Then why is it only EU countries and authoritarian governments that do it? > They need to know your address for a lot of things. And when those things come up, they can ask your address. But requiring people to register in general is a step too far.

> They need to know your address for a lot of things. >> And when those things come up, they can ask your address. How would they do that if they don't have your address? For example: a decent amount of elderly don't use the internet, how would they be contacted?

> How would they do that if they don't have your address?

If you need to deal with taxes, you submit your address to the tax agency.

If you need to deal with license stuff, you deal with the equivalent of the DMV.

And so on.

There's no need to just file your address with the government 'in general'.

> a decent amount of elderly don't use the internet, how would they be contacted?

Internet is kind of irrelevant. Most government agencies don't use the internet to contact people unless they specifically opt in and the agency offers that.

They would use your last known address, or wait for you to contact them.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by Gunnerhead »

thiht wrote: post #760
Gunnerhead wrote: post #692

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What if I have a fetish and want to buy some crazy sex swing. I don’t want you to know, I don’t want the bank to know, or the government to know. This is 100% legal and 100% none of your business and I prefer to keep it that way.

But banks or the government don’t get the details of what you buy

Unfortunately that’s what makes it scary, what you’re saying isn’t true. Look up “L3 Processing Data” which is becoming more and more common (which informs the payment provider/bank about exactly what you purchased). AmEx for example is notorious for implementing that.

Furthermore, they don’t need the details. What if I just don’t want the government or bank to even know that I spent $10K at “Smucks Sex Store Co.”?

Anyway, I hope you’re starting to see the importance of privacy and cash. Even if they’re ridiculous and silly to someone else.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by pallas_athena »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #725
throwaway2037 wrote: post #718

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What country do you live in? For many highly developed democracies, this is normal and not scary.

Currently the US, but formerly Australia, Ireland, Scotland, Germany and Canada. I've never had to register my address anywhere unless I have a drivers license.

How can you live in Germany without registering an address? Were you just visiting?

Registering the address will get you the tax number, which is necessary to be paid.

The health insurance (also mandatory when working) would need a registered address.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

pallas_athena wrote: post #767
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #725

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Currently the US, but formerly Australia, Ireland, Scotland, Germany and Canada. I've never had to register my address anywhere unless I have a drivers license.

How can you live in Germany without registering an address? Were you just visiting? Registering the address will get you the tax number, which is necessary to be paid. The health insurance (also mandatory when working) would need a registered address.

I was there for over a year.

I did have a tax number, since I got paid and presumably paid taxes.

I never went anywhere just to register my address though. That sounds so insane to me.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by tomrod »

pasc1878 wrote: post #723
tomrod wrote: post #640

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Of course -- taxes should be progressive. But this doesn't address "rich people" evading taxes, it addresses transactions from people from all slices of the socioeconomic spectrum, with a cap that is entirely too low and invasive. For example: if and when your country goes to pot, and you have a moral obligation to get your family out because we have this perceived notion of borders and sovereignty based on history w…

The point of a storage locker is that the contents are private so it is not on the record. Much easier to track transactions rather than things. Road pricing will come in so there will be a tax on every mile you use a bus or use a motor vehicle.

Yet, it still doesn't address the core issue, tax avoidance by the wealthy.

Further, implementing a road tax would require cumbersome monitoring generally (and especially if making it progressive) or, if equally treated, would be horribly regressive.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by pasc1878 »

tomrod wrote: post #769
pasc1878 wrote: post #723

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The point of a storage locker is that the contents are private so it is not on the record. Much easier to track transactions rather than things. Road pricing will come in so there will be a tax on every mile you use a bus or use a motor vehicle.

Yet, it still doesn't address the core issue, tax avoidance by the wealthy. Further, implementing a road tax would require cumbersome monitoring generally (and especially if making it progressive) or, if equally treated, would be horribly regressive.

But road pricing will happen in the next 20 years or something similar so we have to work out what it is.

The use of petrol etc needs to be cut.

I admit I do live in a city and can get to shoips, pubs or the railway station within a 15 minute walk.

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