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Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by jaclaz »

hankchinaski wrote: post #747
jaclaz wrote: post #333

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>in italy is 1,000EUR for a while No, it is 5,000 in 2023 and never was 1,000: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37236767

Was 1,000EUR in 2022 I keep forgetting as they keep changing it almost every year

It has never been 1,000 Euro, it was planned to become 1,000 (from 2,000) but then it was postponed last-minute and it remained 2,000 for 2022.

In the linked post there is a link to this (Italian):

https://www.axerve.com/approfondimenti/insight/limite-pagame...

Where it is detailed.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #700
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #571

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In the Netherlands, the government already keeps track of everyone’s address. If you move, you have to register your new address with the municipality within a certain time frame. (IIRC 2 weeks)

Jesus that's freaky. Talk about government overreach.

This seems like a pretty basic thing for a government to do. They need to know your address for a lot of things. For example: taxes (notification that you need to file, your returns, etc). Voting (they send your voters pass to your registered address), fines (if you get caught by a speed camera they need to know where the car’s owner lives). Reminders that you need to renew your car’s annual inspection. Etc.

How would you handle those things without the government knowing your address?

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by SergeAx »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #472
dijit wrote: post #281

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You'll be downvoted, but to answer this question with all honesty: 1) Disallowing a third-party in every single transaction you make, especially as 1a) Inflation means 3k now might be quite low in 20 years 1b) Banks themselves have been shown to be scummy 1c) Banks are a rare institution to allow outsiders into. 2) Bank accounts themselves are not actually all that accessible; it's quite common for people to be ineli…

> Bank accounts themselves are not actually all that accessible; it's quite common for people to be ineligible for a bank account under random (but common) circumstances. Not in the Netherlands. Any adult (18 or older) resident of the EU has the right to a bank account, by law. > an interesting loop you can get into is that you need to pay a utility bill in order to get a bank account, yet you can't pay a utility bil…

> Not in the Netherlands. Any adult (18 or older) resident of the EU has the right to a bank account, by law.

For immigrants or foreign workers a process of getting EU residence status may take months and sometimes require an EU bank account, so it may become an infinite loop. We have to take worst renting deals in order to get required papers, for example.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by SergeAx »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #737
mrunkel wrote: post #734

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> Germany You broke the law if you were a resident of Germany and didn't register yourself.

Well, that sucks. Then again, shitty laws don't deserve to be followed. You think Europe would have learned a thing or two from WW2 and what was going down on the continent. I guess some behaviors are just too culturally ingrained.

> shitty laws don't deserve to be followed

You mean, you have to be ready to be punished for breaqking shitty laws just to point to their shittiness.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #753
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #700

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Jesus that's freaky. Talk about government overreach.

This seems like a pretty basic thing for a government to do. They need to know your address for a lot of things. For example: taxes (notification that you need to file, your returns, etc). Voting (they send your voters pass to your registered address), fines (if you get caught by a speed camera they need to know where the car’s owner lives). Reminders that you need to renew your car’s annual inspection. Etc. How woul…

> This seems like a pretty basic thing for a government to do.

Then why is it only EU countries and authoritarian governments that do it?

> They need to know your address for a lot of things.

And when those things come up, they can ask your address. But requiring people to register in general is a step too far.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

SergeAx wrote: post #755
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #737

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Well, that sucks. Then again, shitty laws don't deserve to be followed. You think Europe would have learned a thing or two from WW2 and what was going down on the continent. I guess some behaviors are just too culturally ingrained.

> shitty laws don't deserve to be followed You mean, you have to be ready to be punished for breaqking shitty laws just to point to their shittiness.

> You mean, you have to be ready to be punished for breaqking shitty laws just to point to their shittiness.

Sure, but in my case nothing happened, so, meh?

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by someplaceguy »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #720
someplaceguy wrote: post #636

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> Yes, but you don’t need a bill for that, you can just get it from the municipality where you are registered. Yeah, that's not how it works in all European countries. Which can get really "interesting" in some cases, believe me (I've lived through that). I've also been requested proof of employment, which is also interesting when you're unemployed. In one of the countries, they said I can just give them proof of une…

In some countries you can't even receive some types of registered mail unless it is addressed exactly to where you are staying at that moment. This makes good sense to me in countries where you need to register you home address with the local govt. Then registered mail delivery becomes a form of ID check. This is normal in Japan and other places.

But the point is that it makes it hard or impossible to receive that type of mail if you travel frequently...

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by thiht »

porkbeer wrote: post #712
thiht wrote: post #682

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As I thought, no legit explanations besides illegal activity.

'As I thought, no explanation other than facism.' See how that fails to further the conversation? Please argue in good faith or post elsewhere. Comments are to be substantive.

Like the « none of your business » comments?

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Post by thiht »

Gunnerhead wrote: post #692
thiht wrote: post #681

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I keep asking for legitimate uses of 10k in cash but the only answer I get is that it’s none of my business. It raises questions.

What if I have a fetish and want to buy some crazy sex swing. I don’t want you to know, I don’t want the bank to know, or the government to know. This is 100% legal and 100% none of your business and I prefer to keep it that way.

But banks or the government don’t get the details of what you buy
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