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So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#101

Post by nunez »

dottjt wrote: post #54

Personally, I love the value of Reddit. How I see it is that it's a single account which allows me access to an infinite number of communities for me to ask questions about. Interested in fishing? Ask about it in the fishing subreddit. Interested in Chinese Medicine? Ask about it in the Chinese Medicine subreddit. I absolutely love it. It's like interactive Google.

That was the case before many of the moderators of those communities left in protest of Reddit's API changes. Whether that will stay the case remains to be seen.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#102

Post by specialist »

Andrew Kelly wrote:

> ... the same reasons I didn't like Twitter. ... You're letting a bunch of people who aren't really that important to you, or qualified to do the job, be the content curators for you.

Exactly. I'll own and operate my own personal recommender algorithm, thank you very much.

> I'm going to look into setting up an RSS reader for myself and start hunting for high quality blogs.

The Correct Answer™

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I've never understood Twitter. How do I follow convos? What are people talking about? Why can't I find anything? And most annoyingly, obvious links (hrefs) don't work, forcing click thrus. (Engagement FTW!)

And WTF am I seeing the same frikking content over and over and over?!

I'm finally using 𝕏 (neé Twitter) just this year. Because for the first time, I was super motivated to follow a handful of geeks (wrt climate crisis and electrifying everything) that don't post updates elsewhere. (For now. With Musk imploding 𝕏, THANK THE GODS, everyone's on the lookout for the next disco.)

I now get how and why 𝕏 blows. It's an outrage machine, not a forum host. Those two use cases are mutually exclusive.

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Imagine a personalized HN landing page where I only saw unread updates from the people I follow. And for entries/topics that I'm "watching".

Also imagine the ability to filter OC (outbound links). The stuff I never want to read.

Lastly, imagine dupes (reposts) somehow get deduped. Like a forum for "continuing conversation", vs a whole new entry. People could repost (retweet) as much as they want and HN smartly aggregates them.

And a great search.

Now imagine the client for those forum features. Either web or app.

Track my personal history. Which OC and people and topics do I most view, watch, bookmark, and like? Not just for internet karma, but also to complete my personal feedback loop.

If my personal RSS reader and podcatcher simply logged my own viewing habits locally, I'd be in heaven.

Render my activity on a timeline and I'd hit nirvana. (There's probably some other useful visualizations too.)

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#103

Post by costanzaDynasty »

The funny thing about Twitter users is how in real life you can tell who is addicted to Twitter from the way they talk. Every conversation is a Mexican standoff with the Twitter addict as they try to bait you into exposing your Silo against their Silo. Its infuriating to deal with this type of addict because the rest of society is just trying to coexist while the Twitter addict is trying to root out imaginary threats to the Silo.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#104

Post by arp242 »

rvz wrote: post #50

The only alternative is to delete your social media accounts rather than replacing one social network with another. Migrating to another social network does not solve the problem that Andrew is talking about. It just prolongs the outrage and the addiction present in all social networks no matter their algorithm or users. Its exactly like suggesting to quit alcohol addiction by drinking a different brand of alcohol. S…

You're posting on a social network right now.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#105

Post by pallas_athena »

costanzaDynasty wrote: post #103

The funny thing about Twitter users is how in real life you can tell who is addicted to Twitter from the way they talk. Every conversation is a Mexican standoff with the Twitter addict as they try to bait you into exposing your Silo against their Silo. Its infuriating to deal with this type of addict because the rest of society is just trying to coexist while the Twitter addict is trying to root out imaginary threats…

Silo? Not familiar with the term. Googling I found "Silo Mentality" (="resists sharing information and resources with other people or departments within the organisation.") but I don't see exactly how that applies here

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#106

Post by Zambyte »

robobro wrote: post #48
tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it utterly insufferable. I, a very technically capable person, really struggle with using Discord. I can’t help but feel that people that misuse Discord in this way are doing it from a place from extreme ignorance and hubris. It is so blatantly not intended or appropriate for what a bunch of people use it for. The only thing it has going for it is that the person setting up the community knows how to use it. I…

I miss IRC, man... a Discord guild is a poor man's IRC server... a Matrix homeserver is a rich man's IRC server...

I don't miss IRC. I use it :)

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#108

Post by thefz »

tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #37
reactordev wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discord is not a social platform. It's a chatroom for gamers, to share memes and voice chat while they play . It's not a base for documentation. It's not a platform for your next product (other than a bot..) launch. It's poorly designed for searching, for knowledge, for connecting. It's 2020s version of ICQ.

I find it utterly insufferable. I, a very technically capable person, really struggle with using Discord. I can’t help but feel that people that misuse Discord in this way are doing it from a place from extreme ignorance and hubris. It is so blatantly not intended or appropriate for what a bunch of people use it for. The only thing it has going for it is that the person setting up the community knows how to use it. I…

Read your comment but believe me when I say I don't get a single reason why you do not like Discord.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#109

Post by tomjen3 »

seanhunter wrote: post #34
RaisingSpear wrote: post #22

> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon Discord was enshittified years ago. It's just that nothing really changed recently, unlike Twitter/Reddit, so it's not making the news. You've got a platform that's completely inaccessible without an account. Acquiring an account often requires handing over a mobile number. And Discord can then ban you arbitrarily, despite never post…

Goodness knows you can validly critise discord for any number of reasons but the time taken to log in on an untrusted device isn't really one that resonates with me. I have done this recently and the process took all of 5 seconds. Here's the process if you have a phone and want to do it fast: 1. Click login on discord on the untrusted device. It shows a qr code next to the credentials box. 2. Log in on phone (which f…

That assumes you have it on your phone.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#110

Post by thefz »

reactordev wrote: post #11
kemayo wrote: post #6

> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon, so we should be on the lookout for an alternative over the next five years. Discord's fine for what it is, but it's also a fundamentally different thing than social media or forums or a support-site. Projects that try to funnel everything onto Discord are (a) losing anyone who thinks joining an 800 person chatroom doesn't sound fun,…

Discord is not a social platform. It's a chatroom for gamers, to share memes and voice chat while they play . It's not a base for documentation. It's not a platform for your next product (other than a bot..) launch. It's poorly designed for searching, for knowledge, for connecting. It's 2020s version of ICQ.

Exactly my use case. I admin a community of around 20 people that chat together about games and to pass the day at work sometimes. We post stupid stuff or interesting things to read. Some days pass by with zero messages, some are frenzied. We get in voice channels and chat and game together.

I am a guest in other similarly sized circles' discord servers and this way I keep in touch with different groups.

For this use case, Discord is gold. And I happily pay for Nitro. For anything else like searching a wiki, it sucks, but it is not its use case.

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