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So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#51

Post by hardwaresofton »

raincole wrote: post #35

I don't know why people just can't use plain old forums. I've got a lot help from KVR (a forum for music making) since I started learning DAW. It works fine. If authentication is a problem then just let users login with their discord/twitter/reddit accounts? Is it the lacking of "one-click setup" forum services?

They did, Discourse is basically just a plain old forum -- with a somewhat newer coat of paint.

> Is it the lacking of "one-click setup" forum services?

I'm a bit biased (since I run a tiny managed service provider) -- would you create a forum if it had one click setup?

Services like Discourse and NodeBB do offer this kind of service, so it seems like the option is there.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#52

Post by judge2020 »

robobro wrote: post #48
tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it utterly insufferable. I, a very technically capable person, really struggle with using Discord. I can’t help but feel that people that misuse Discord in this way are doing it from a place from extreme ignorance and hubris. It is so blatantly not intended or appropriate for what a bunch of people use it for. The only thing it has going for it is that the person setting up the community knows how to use it. I…

I miss IRC, man... a Discord guild is a poor man's IRC server... a Matrix homeserver is a rich man's IRC server...

a Discord guild is a poor man's IRC server..

that natively supports emojis, stickers, embeds, non-ip-leaking voice chat, screenshare with audio, rich permissions, avatars, attachments

oh, and chat history. Because everyone loves needing an irc bouncer to be able to assimilate the context of the active conversation when they log in.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#53

Post by lolinder »

callroomlamp wrote: post #31
kromem wrote: post #12

Lemmy has been surprisingly good as a Reddit replacement given the relative user counts. With 3rd party apps like Sync already migrated, you'd almost not even know you weren't just on Reddit.

Lemmy experience is quite satisfying. Took a moment to get used to the fediverse especially with multiple duplicate communities. Yet find myself doomscrolling much less and being more satisfied than Reddit. Still a small community though…

> Yet find myself doomscrolling much less and being more satisfied than Reddit. Still a small community though…

I think these two things are tightly related. When a platform gets too big, the content trends towards the lowest common denominator, which tends to be content that appeals to our primal fears, anger, and hatred. Lemmy is small enough that the community is still drawn together by something healthier.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#54

Post by dottjt »

Personally, I love the value of Reddit.

How I see it is that it's a single account which allows me access to an infinite number of communities for me to ask questions about.

Interested in fishing? Ask about it in the fishing subreddit. Interested in Chinese Medicine? Ask about it in the Chinese Medicine subreddit.

I absolutely love it. It's like interactive Google.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#55

Post by [deleted] »

raincole wrote: post #35

I don't know why people just can't use plain old forums. I've got a lot help from KVR (a forum for music making) since I started learning DAW. It works fine. If authentication is a problem then just let users login with their discord/twitter/reddit accounts? Is it the lacking of "one-click setup" forum services?

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Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#56

Post by bytefactory »

callroomlamp wrote: post #31
kromem wrote: post #12

Lemmy has been surprisingly good as a Reddit replacement given the relative user counts. With 3rd party apps like Sync already migrated, you'd almost not even know you weren't just on Reddit.

Lemmy experience is quite satisfying. Took a moment to get used to the fediverse especially with multiple duplicate communities. Yet find myself doomscrolling much less and being more satisfied than Reddit. Still a small community though…

> Still a small community though

Lack of content has been my biggest issue with lemmy by far. There's just not enough content right now (once the many topics I have blocked because of zero interest are removed) to sustain my mindless scrolling habit. I frequently find myself at the bottom of the barrel.

I keep hoping that this results in me just wasting less time on the phone/computer, but my addiction is overpowering.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#57

Post by judge2020 »

gabereiser wrote: post #40
bsder wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way do those solve "have someone else deal with lost passwords, spam, fraud, etc."? The technical authentication is the easy part. It's dealing with the humans that is the hard part.

Okta is a SaaS offering that does that. Maybe not fraud. What is fraud in this context? Spam? Check. Lost passwords? Check. Let someone else deal with auth? Check. All of those are either services or software you can host yourself that provide auth and user management, OTPs, 2FA, email recovery, forgotten passwords, single-sign on, and more.

> Spam? Check

In what way? verification emails don't count. And for many servers where spam and troll accounts is a problem, custom bots and new member screening features deal with this - since they don't want to spend every waking moment staring at the server and banning people who join and immediately cause issues.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#59

Post by raincole »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #51
raincole wrote: post #35

I don't know why people just can't use plain old forums. I've got a lot help from KVR (a forum for music making) since I started learning DAW. It works fine. If authentication is a problem then just let users login with their discord/twitter/reddit accounts? Is it the lacking of "one-click setup" forum services?

They did, Discourse is basically just a plain old forum -- with a somewhat newer coat of paint. > Is it the lacking of "one-click setup" forum services? I'm a bit biased (since I run a tiny managed service provider) -- would you create a forum if it had one click setup? Services like Discourse and NodeBB do offer this kind of service, so it seems like the option is there.

> would you create a forum if it had one click setup?

The only reason I'd be hesitate to create a forum is that I think people (not me) might actually prefer Discord and I'm doing a disservice for them. So it's like Catch 22.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#60

Post by gabereiser »

judge2020 wrote: post #52
robobro wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I miss IRC, man... a Discord guild is a poor man's IRC server... a Matrix homeserver is a rich man's IRC server...

a Discord guild is a poor man's IRC server.. that natively supports emojis, stickers, embeds, non-ip-leaking voice chat, screenshare with audio, rich permissions, avatars, attachments oh, and chat history. Because everyone loves needing an irc bouncer to be able to assimilate the context of the active conversation when they log in.

Exactly. Back in 2012 or so I wrote a web chat system that had all that (minus the screenshare & voice chat) and it was quite a challenge supporting all the permutations of links, images, emoji's, bbcode, etc. It's a pos in today's standards but back before slack it was "on the right track". Slack pretty much came out of nowhere and killed the effort though. To your point about a bouncer, I think a lot of folks are nostalgic and forget what a shitty system IRC was. Net-splits, bouncers, no filters or mod tools other than kick. No embedded media unless your client did magic. It was some folks' first foray into online community so naturally they want that feeling back.

I'm glad to see this pushback against centralized monopolies. The open-web needs more openness.

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