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So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#91

Post by fsflover »

xigoi wrote: post #76
jakecopp wrote: post #70

> I have a Mastodon account, but I don't love it, for the same reasons I didn't like Twitter. In addition, I think that way of consuming content is generally like watching mainstream TV or listening to radio with ads. You're letting a bunch of people who aren't really that important to you, or qualified to do the job, be the content curators for you. Isn't that the opposite of Mastodon? The _default_ Mastodon home fe…

The people you follow are the mentioned content curators.

Except you choose them yourself.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#92

Post by RaisingSpear »

seanhunter wrote: post #90
RaisingSpear wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the process is exactly the same as it is for me on just about any other site/system when I log in on an untrusted device This is not my experience. Logging into Reddit/Twitter/Hacker News etc is nowhere near that level of convoluted. > you inflicted that on yourself did you not? That's like stating that an assault victim is inflicting damage on themselves by choosing not to comply with their assailant. Okay, perhap…

I don't buy your analogy as being at all equivalent. You literally had two choices, chose the hard option and then complained that it was hard. I totally understand making a tradeoff if you think that it preserves privacy (which I don't agree with as I explained above) but I don't think it's reasonable to do that and then complain about it.

> but I don't think it's reasonable to do that and then complain about it.

"Entry into this establishment requires an exorbitant 20 minute procedure, or you can bypass that by showing nudie pics of yourself."

Me: why do I have to go through this 20 minute procedure?

You: you don't. I understand that not everyone is comfortable with showing nudie pics, but I don't think it's reasonable to complain about the alternative.

Sorry, hard disagree with you, but I see that you're set on your opinion, and I'm set on mine, so let's just leave it at that.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#93

Post by WA »

reactordev wrote: post #11
kemayo wrote: post #6

> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon, so we should be on the lookout for an alternative over the next five years. Discord's fine for what it is, but it's also a fundamentally different thing than social media or forums or a support-site. Projects that try to funnel everything onto Discord are (a) losing anyone who thinks joining an 800 person chatroom doesn't sound fun,…

Discord is not a social platform. It's a chatroom for gamers, to share memes and voice chat while they play . It's not a base for documentation. It's not a platform for your next product (other than a bot..) launch. It's poorly designed for searching, for knowledge, for connecting. It's 2020s version of ICQ.

IRC…? ICQ was mostly 1:1 conversations.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#95

Post by progfix »

jakecopp wrote: post #70

> I have a Mastodon account, but I don't love it, for the same reasons I didn't like Twitter. In addition, I think that way of consuming content is generally like watching mainstream TV or listening to radio with ads. You're letting a bunch of people who aren't really that important to you, or qualified to do the job, be the content curators for you. Isn't that the opposite of Mastodon? The _default_ Mastodon home fe…

You can also follow hashtags which for me is much more interesting than following people.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#96

Post by dzonga »

own your platform.

use things like rss to follow feeds / blogs etc.

but us humans being stupid we wanna take the easy way out and be surprised by the results.

if people had stuck to blogs, rss we wouldn't be having so much polarization going on.

now its so toxic that if someone has a different politically opinion to you - then they must've been not so smart in other areas as well.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#97

Post by FullMetalBitch »

seanhunter wrote: post #83
FullMetalBitch wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been in forums my whole life and discord is far from them, discord is just a chat akin to irc. Forums and IRC worked together very well, when I was moderating a huge gaming community we had several IRC channels for those who wanted live participation. It's impossible to follow a discussion in discord because when you arrive it may be over and they are talking about something else, that doesn't happen in a foru…

Discourse != Discord. He said Discourse . Discourse: https://www.discourse.org/ Discord: https://discord.com/ <- a modern-looking chat thing

My bad.

Note to self: wake up before replying.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#98

Post by FullMetalBitch »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #81
FullMetalBitch wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been in forums my whole life and discord is far from them, discord is just a chat akin to irc. Forums and IRC worked together very well, when I was moderating a huge gaming community we had several IRC channels for those who wanted live participation. It's impossible to follow a discussion in discord because when you arrive it may be over and they are talking about something else, that doesn't happen in a foru…

I fully agree with you (and IMO it's just as bad with Slack which people love to use in corporate contexts), see my comment here[0]. I think you may have misread my earlier comment, it says "Discourse" (as in the forum software[1]), not Discord. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37245220 [1]: https://discourse.org

Yeah I did misread it.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#99

Post by lapinot »

jakecopp wrote: post #70

> I have a Mastodon account, but I don't love it, for the same reasons I didn't like Twitter. In addition, I think that way of consuming content is generally like watching mainstream TV or listening to radio with ads. You're letting a bunch of people who aren't really that important to you, or qualified to do the job, be the content curators for you. Isn't that the opposite of Mastodon? The _default_ Mastodon home fe…

OP doesn't like mastodon for the same reasons [they] didn't like Twitter. That would be mostly:

- "It's not really possible to use Twitter without at least a little bit of doomscrolling"

- "I think that the core concept of a "tweet" is fundamentally unhealthy, because by design it promotes angry and extreme content."

- "Most users don't understand that by "dunking" on someone, they are actually promoting the content."

This is basically a critic of fast-paced short interaction based on an infinite timeline. The comment about TV afterwards may seem weird but for me it makes sense. The whole concept of having everything in a single bucket is very TV-like. I don't believe user behavior will be very different on mastodon than twitter: people will follow some very productive accounts and their feed will be dominated by these.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#100

Post by lapinot »

seanhunter wrote: post #90
RaisingSpear wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the process is exactly the same as it is for me on just about any other site/system when I log in on an untrusted device This is not my experience. Logging into Reddit/Twitter/Hacker News etc is nowhere near that level of convoluted. > you inflicted that on yourself did you not? That's like stating that an assault victim is inflicting damage on themselves by choosing not to comply with their assailant. Okay, perhap…

I don't buy your analogy as being at all equivalent. You literally had two choices, chose the hard option and then complained that it was hard. I totally understand making a tradeoff if you think that it preserves privacy (which I don't agree with as I explained above) but I don't think it's reasonable to do that and then complain about it.

They chose the option that did not imply sharing too much information with discord. The fact that it's hard is mainly because it's not discord's preferred option. So no, it's a perfectly valid choice to make and discord is being a pita. Setting up time-based 2FA is simple. Setting up network (!! email !!) based 2FA is stupid and cumbersome.
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