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Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by poisonarena »

Angostura wrote: post #40
hilbert42 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…

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> Possibly something to work on.

tacking this on to whatever you are disagreeing with automatically makes me not respect whatever it is you are saying

Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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nonethewiser wrote: post #66
avar wrote: post #5

This 2012 article mentions that the Royal Navy might have female submariners "next year". It happened in 2014: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/female-submariners-make-h... And here's the next article I found on the subject, from last year, looks like it's not going so well: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.opindia.com/2022/11/women-o...

And 3 years later in 2017 there are drugs and sex problems. > Nine service personnel on a nuclear submarine have been discharged from the Royal Navy after testing positive for drugs. > The revelations come after claims earlier this month of inappropriate sexual relationships among some of those on board HMS Vigilant, one of four Vanguard Class submarines which maintain the UK's nuclear deterrent and is armed with Tri…

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Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by callalex »

hilbert42 wrote: post #37
avar wrote: post #5

This 2012 article mentions that the Royal Navy might have female submariners "next year". It happened in 2014: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/female-submariners-make-h... And here's the next article I found on the subject, from last year, looks like it's not going so well: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.opindia.com/2022/11/women-o...

Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…

Thanks for sharing this fascinating take on how you experience the world. Personally, as a man, I have never found the need to worry about any of the issues you highlight when interacting with other genders. I wonder what makes our experiences so different?

Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by phnofive »

callalex wrote: post #103
hilbert42 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…

Thanks for sharing this fascinating take on how you experience the world. Personally, as a man, I have never found the need to worry about any of the issues you highlight when interacting with other genders. I wonder what makes our experiences so different?

What do you think makes your experiences so different?

Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by monk1 »

tpurves wrote: post #97
sklargh wrote: post #51

A friend of mine once described his submerged time on a submarine as “like prison, but without the possibility of escape.”

I think about that sort of description when people talk about colonizing space, or mars or the moon. Would it even be ethical to bear children on such a colony who, not by choice, would have to live their lives confined to a cramped habitat that would probably feel a lot like living in a submarine?

I don't know about the ethics, but I'd argue that people still get born into terrible situations right here on earth. Think of all the children born in war-torn countries, into extreme poverty etc. Even in the midst of all this adversity, they will still find a reason to smile. And some will even make a huge impact in our world.

Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

walrus01 wrote: post #10

There's some pretty good video on youtube showing what the galley looks like on a US submarine, and meal prep/cooking for one meal. They fit a lot of stuff in a very tight space. obviously they have an interest in only filming the non-sensitive areas for public relations purposes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWk7oFF1Ku0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-jyzwdmEIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al7DqK0f8lI

The SmarterEveryDay YouTube channel did a slightly more indepth series of videos aboard a nuclear sub, obviously still censored, but educational.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjHf9jaFs8XWoGULb2HQR...

The video on producing oxygen was particularly enlightening:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Ud6mHdhlQ&list=PLjHf9jaFs8...

Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by bondarchuk »

nonethewiser wrote: post #58
hilbert42 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…

The dynamic is completely different in mixed company. It used to be common for men and women to attend different universities. In fact, learning outcomes tend to be better in single sex education [0] and its not really surprising - everyone is more productive and focused. What’s surprising is how we don't realize the effectiveness of single sex education despite research, common sense, and tradition all pointing towa…

That study simply looks at the differences between students at single- and mixed-sex schools. There are so many confounders I doubt it can be used to say something meaningful purely about the effects of sex separation. They do (try to) control for some confounders but they are all related to the students' individual backgrounds and none of them related to e.g. the school or the teachers. And the schools are all Catholic.

Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by paganel »

duxup wrote: post #23
tpmx wrote: post #13

I think a nuclear deterrence against insane countries like e.g. Russia is of critical importance. I'm am also concerned about the quality of the work on UK's four nuclear subs. 2012: "British submariner tried to pass secrets to Russia" https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-russia-submarine-... 2017: "Nuclear submarine sex and drugs scandal: Nine Trident crew expelled from Navy amid 'cocaine' and affairs allegati…

I worry that MAD requires the other actors to have accurate information, and act rationally. When an “insane” person makes the call I fear the entire system of deterrence falls apart…

Funny how personalist most of the West suddenly becomes when things don't go their way, case in point the current government in Moscow. Nevermind that Putin is by far not the only highly placed Russian official that was of the opinion that this current war should take place, it all happened because he is an "insane" person, damn the system as a whole.

As a matter of fact that's also what happened with the Nazi white-washing just after WW2, it was all because Hitler and some of the guys around him were insane and blood-thirsty, ignore the system as a whole, ignore the Wehrmacht which was directly responsible for the death of millions of non-combatants on the Ostfront. That's how many of those high-placed Wehrmacht officials got cushy jobs in Western military structures not long after the war had ended, after all they weren't the "insane" ones.

Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by darkclouds »

callalex wrote: post #103
hilbert42 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…

Thanks for sharing this fascinating take on how you experience the world. Personally, as a man, I have never found the need to worry about any of the issues you highlight when interacting with other genders. I wonder what makes our experiences so different?

I've been accused of groping a woman at staff party when I hadnt. Other colleagues knew my married male manager was having an affair with this single mum and was at it in a room with all the coats. I was asked to go get a coat by a colleague that knew what was going on and I walked in on them so walked straight back out.

Monday morning to save face, she accused me of groping her and spread it around the company. I left shortly after that incident, it became untenable to stay on.

Women have reputations to uphold, so will often lie to maintain them, laws are in their favour.

Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by inemesitaffia »

deanCommie wrote: post #64
hilbert42 wrote: post #52

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It has nothing to do with lizard brain whatsoever. If for some reason I had to take disciplinary action against one of those women and I had good and legitimate reason to do so then I would be at risk of retribution. The chances of me being believed would be negligible. I have always been courteous to coworkers, especially women. Your comment has just validified my point about today's politics. Decades ago no one wou…

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