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Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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In India, any transactions over 50000 INR (about 555 EUR) are discouraged in cash, and if necessary, the payer must provide their PAN card. PAN is the tax identification number in India. It is on the recepient to report these transactions.

It is not illegal though, and you can in fact pay arbitrary amounts of cash for instance at hospitals or jewellery stores, with PAN. I am okay with this oversight, though I'm not too happy about the middlemen. I can't think of any legitimate usecases where one wouldn't want to share PAN, unless they are underreporting income and evading taxes. While I'm often unhappy with how my tax money gets spent, I still begrudgingly pay my taxes and have no sympathy for black money.

We also have instant and free transfers via UPI, and I can transfer any amount, even 1 INR (Approx 1 cent EUR) to anyone. I make about a dozen upi transactions everyday, for practically everything. Roadside snacks to in mall purchases. This further reduces the need for carrying cash. There are only a few holdouts, such as bus tickets purchased on the spot, or the ocassional auto rikshaws that demand cash.

Even foriegn tourists now can "pay lik an Indian", with upi, to borrow marketing slogans from the airport adverts.

Transacting large amounts in cash(banknotes) is going to become increasingly difficult across the world, for better or worse.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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- paying a team of day labour workers - hay / feed delivery - combine/equipment rental - equipment resale - livestock - farm vehicle sales / repair It's probably fine, and I hear you can eat bugs.

If someone is paying for farm equipment, vehicles or livestock with tens of thousands in cash, you can absolutely be certain something very, very dodgy is going on. At the very least someone is doing some serious tax evasion. So sounds like exactly the kind of transaction this law is supposed to block. working as intended.

You might be surprised by the volume of agricultural transactions settled in cash. Not sure about the Netherlands specifically.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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They can't control the black market in drugs, what makes them think controlling a black market in cash , which is a million times more desirable, will be any more successful? There's the small matter of millions of undocumented migrants entering Europe who will be trapped in this now-illegal-cash underclass, and these financial oppression laws just incentivise and create criminal networks to facilitate basic economy.…

Without a law you can't enforce it.

The results will be known sooner or later.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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I am confused by your post. What are some good reasons to allow cash payments above 3000 EUR?

I just recently bought a car for around 4000€ in cash. I even went to a ATM to withdraw money first. Cash is, after all, the only instant and feeless transaction method. Why would I want to pay % fee or wait up to several days for a transaction like that? Imagine I bought the car on Friday afternoon. The seller would get the money earliest on Monday. Why would the seller simply trust me? So how would I buy a car on a…

> Cash is, after all, the only instant and feeless transaction method.

Bank transfers in the EU are instant, and there are no fees for personal accounts.

> Imagine I bought the car on Friday afternoon. The seller would get the money earliest on Monday.

No, the seller would get the money before they could even blink.

I have accounts at 2 unrelated banks. I have my online banking apps set up that whenever I get a deposit over a certain amount I get a push notification. When I use my online banking app to transfer money from my account at bank A to my account at bank B, I get an alert from bank B’s app to inform me of the money appearing in my account before the app from bank A has even shown me the confirmation screen that the transfer request was received.

This is true for any two banks in a SEPA country.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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So people were handing over suitcases containing millions in cold hard cash!? Is there ever a legitimate reason to do that?

Yes. One of my banks forbids making bank transfers of over 10,000 EUR. The other is not far behind. Even then, sometimes they simply decide that they're not going to allow you to make bank transfers to certain perfectly legitimate accounts. There is no way to override that. For the past couple of days I've been trying to set up an automatic monthly transfer for paying my rent and my bank is not allowing me because it…

Where is this? I doubt that it's legal for a bank to actually prevent you from transferring money. Yes, I also have a limit, but if I call my bank and tell them I need to transfer 500,000 to buy a house they will allow it. The limit is there is to prevent fraud.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Buying a Macbook Pro 16" M2 and a Samsung Odyssey Neo G9 at the same time from the same place.

And you clearly want to carry 3000+ EUR in your pocket than paying by card? Europe is safe, but I will definitely not walk around with that much cash on my person.

Well yeah, why not? I’ve been mugged in the day exactly zero times (and don’t carry cash in night clubs, where I did get mugged once). It’s not exactly conspicuous, there is no way to know what’s in your bag or wallet.

I don’t do it often; last time was when I moved to the UK without a British bank account and did not want to pay any transfer fees, which are quite expensive for larger sums (I had to carry enough to live one month and pay a first month’s rent before getting my first pay check). Another one was when I had to buy a computer after having reach the 7-days ceiling in my debit card (now you can increase it on the bank’s app; it used to be more complicated).

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am confused by your post. What are some good reasons to allow cash payments above 3000 EUR?

I just recently bought a car for around 4000€ in cash. I even went to a ATM to withdraw money first. Cash is, after all, the only instant and feeless transaction method. Why would I want to pay % fee or wait up to several days for a transaction like that? Imagine I bought the car on Friday afternoon. The seller would get the money earliest on Monday. Why would the seller simply trust me? So how would I buy a car on a…

With SEPA you’d pay a fixed > So how would I buy a car on a Friday afternoon otherwise?

https://www.ecb.europa.eu/paym/integration/retail/instant_pa...

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Nice to see that there's no limit where I live which is Norway. Hopefully, there are no plans to introduce one.

I am confused by your post. What are some good reasons to allow cash payments above 3000 EUR?

Why would you not accept legal tender over a certain amount? This isn't credit, it's physical money the government created. It should never be outlawed
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