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Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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If an EMP truly destroys most of our electronic devices, money will be the least of your worries.

The world worked fine before electronics. Sure, the adjustment period would be harsh, but it’s silly to think civilization would end completely.

Your immediate need will be water, food, and security from it getting stolen. It is pretty much all three at once.

The cities will be awful places with death, destruction, and lawlessness.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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post #266

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There are for sure tradeoffs here, but in Germany for example they recently made paying in cash for real estate illegal because it was obvious that almost all those cash transactions involved crime money of some sort. Edit: As noted below cash here refers to paper money. The same law also prohibits real estate purchase with gold, silver, diamonds or crypto currencies.

So if you sell a house and want to buy a new one, you have to pay for a mortgage you don't need?

Cash in this context means literal cash.

Electronic transfers such as ACH would be allowed.

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They can't control the black market in drugs, what makes them think controlling a black market in cash , which is a million times more desirable, will be any more successful? There's the small matter of millions of undocumented migrants entering Europe who will be trapped in this now-illegal-cash underclass, and these financial oppression laws just incentivise and create criminal networks to facilitate basic economy.…

How does this target farmers if the tax relief is legitimate? It isn't. The farmers just have a vastly inflated sense of self importance and consider paying taxes to be optional.

Farmers are declaring their own tax relief.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Frustrating to see more laws like this that can readily throw a wrench in the day to day lives of regular working people, when money laundering and tax evasion at a scale multiple orders of magnitude larger than this is so shamelessly visible in the form of nine-figure real estate transactions, art auctions, and Caymans-based shell corporations.

Not being able to spend €3k cash is a wrench in the day to day lives of regular working people?

€3k today is a price of an expensive laptop or an expensive bicycle (e.g. a bakfiets). €3k in ten years will be the price of a normal laptop or a normal bicycle.

How not being able to buy a laptop or a bicycle without asking permission from third parties is a good thing?

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post #203

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Works with technology as well, the speed limits in your neighborhood were probably set when cars had drum brakes and poor visibility.

Cars still kill people at high speed, human bodies haven't adapted to get hit by cars better.

The cars have adapted to hit people better though, at least for a given size of car. See Euro NCAP pedestrian test. Cars have softer front ends, and they even pop up on impact to give a softer landing for the pedestrian. Also, automatic emergency braking systems.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are for sure tradeoffs here, but in Germany for example they recently made paying in cash for real estate illegal because it was obvious that almost all those cash transactions involved crime money of some sort. Edit: As noted below cash here refers to paper money. The same law also prohibits real estate purchase with gold, silver, diamonds or crypto currencies.

So if you sell a house and want to buy a new one, you have to pay for a mortgage you don't need?

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Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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The maximum limit for cash payments in Italy is 1000€, so 3k would still be a lot. Why would someone need to pay for 10k in cash? Where does that cash come from? 60% of the times, it's money laundering every time. edit: I suppose since I'm in EU and I'm only 30 I'm "used" to the 1k limit, while non-EU (or specifically USA) people might be grabbing their pitchforks.

No, it was planned to go down to 1,000 but the application was delayed and later instead it was raised to 5,000 (Italian):

https://www.axerve.com/approfondimenti/insight/limite-pagame...

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Frustrating to see more laws like this that can readily throw a wrench in the day to day lives of regular working people, when money laundering and tax evasion at a scale multiple orders of magnitude larger than this is so shamelessly visible in the form of nine-figure real estate transactions, art auctions, and Caymans-based shell corporations.

Regular working people are spending 3K in cash?

After a few decades of inflation from now that will be a much more common occurrence and the laws will probably never be updated to reflect that.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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And then you wonder why the crypto keeps going up (I'm talking about long term trends). Many believe that the 2016/2017 spike in crypto coincided with the Indian demonetization of November 2016, when the Indian govt. declared all currency notes to be invalid.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are for sure tradeoffs here, but in Germany for example they recently made paying in cash for real estate illegal because it was obvious that almost all those cash transactions involved crime money of some sort. Edit: As noted below cash here refers to paper money. The same law also prohibits real estate purchase with gold, silver, diamonds or crypto currencies.

So if you sell a house and want to buy a new one, you have to pay for a mortgage you don't need?

> So if you sell a house and want to buy a new one, you have to pay for a mortgage you don't need?

You misunderstand.

We are talking hard paper cash here. It might help if we quote a translated excerpt here :

This practice is now being abolished by the introduction of Sec. 16a GwG. From 1 April 2023, it will only be possible to purchase real estate using means of payment other than cash, crypto assets, gold, platinum or precious stones. All parties to the transaction are required to present satisfactory proof of payment, for example a payment confirmation from a financial institution.

(source of excerpt https://www.gvw.com/en/news/blog/detail/prohibition-on-cash-...)

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