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Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by smcl »

ajdude wrote: post #228
alberth wrote: post #42

For clarity, this isn't the first conformant linux drivers. Apple themselves are not conformant to OpenGL® ES 3.1. So this is literally the first conformant OpenGL ES 3.1 drivers for M-Series, for any operating system (Apple or Non-Apple). Hence why the call to action to donate to the team. https://asahilinux.org/support/

I love what they're doing, but last time I clicked a link for asahilinux on hacker news I was taken to a pop up that specifically said that readers from Hacker News are not welcomed on their site and couldn't read their content.

A few commenters on HN were giving Hector Martin shit and trying to dox Asahi pseudonymous contributors (who clearly did not want to be ID'd). Maybe the popup should have included a bit of detail on that so people such as yourself who aren't aware or involved aren't put off the project. But the animosity they have is understandable.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by ribit »

softfalcon wrote: post #197

I wonder if support for OpenGL, Vulkan, etc will improve now that Apple is partnering with nVidia, Adobe, Autodesk, Microsoft, etc around the OpenUSD rendering/animation/CAD/3D-scene format? Considering the whole schtick of OpenUSD is "one file format that renders consistently everywhere" (paraphrasing), I would be surprised if Apple doesn't use it as a means to cement more 3D software vendors into macOS land. It's r…

Apple's strategy for cross-platform GPU is WebGPU, which they are actively involved in. OpenGL has been obsolete for a while and Apple has no interest in supporting Vulkan (for multiple reasons). The core philosophy of Vulkan — which is designed as a least common denominator abstraction to facilitate fast driver development, with no regards to end developer convenience — is at odds with what Apple wanted (a compact, easy to use API with progressive manual control knobs).

Current Metal is essentially a more streamlined and user-friendly DX12 Ultimate, plus a mix of some console-like functionality and Apple-specific features, plus Nvidia Optix, plus a subset of CUDA features (such as cooperative matrix multiplication). Plus they have a very nice shading language and some neat tools to generate and specialise shaders. I expect them to continue gaining feature parity with CUDA going forward (things like shared virtual memory might need new hardware). They simply can't offer such comprehensive feature set in a reasonable fashion if they went with Vulkan, even if we let the issue of usability aside for a moment (and we really shouldn't, as Vulkan is horrible to use).

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by throw10920 »

MBCook wrote: post #434
unethical_ban wrote: post #374

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Well, Asahilinux was rude to do what they did, and the person you are responding to is a troll.

They were rude to say a group disproportionately responsible for spreading falsehoods, personal attacks, doxxing, and anti-trans harassment wasn’t welcome?

> a group

HN is not a group.

> disproportionately responsible

Please link to the objective, empirical evidence that you have on hand for this claim that HN is "disproportionately" responsible - you can't be disproportionately responsible if you don't know the proportions.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by qwytw »

scns wrote: post #169
europeanNyan wrote: post #108

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A refurbished Macbook Air M1 with 8GB of RAM (which works wonderfully for day to day stuff, even development with VS Code) is $849 directly from Apple. I never felt any slowdowns. The thing is chugging along nicely and I don't feel a need for an alternative any more. Apple Silicone has turned the industry upside down IMHO.

Does anyone have experience how IntelliJ runs on this machine?

Yes, none of the Jetbrains IDE's seem to be usable on a 8GB Mac. It invariably starts throwing errors about running out of memory after a while and then everything starts to lag (including typing).

Also you can't really run any other process alongside as long as it uses above ~5000-1000mb (so no Node for instance). Having a browser with more than a few tabs open alongside is also an issue.

Maybe a ~5+ year old version might work better.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by throw10920 »

unethical_ban wrote: post #481
MBCook wrote: post #434

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They were rude to say a group disproportionately responsible for spreading falsehoods, personal attacks, doxxing, and anti-trans harassment wasn’t welcome?

Yes. They chose to come to the threads and focus on the trollish, downvoted comments and then outright block every member of the mostly decent community from even reading the blog. They may be fine people (Asahi) but I thought it was an overreaction, yes.

The Asahi devs taking the worst comments/individuals on HN and then using that to stereotype the entire site is...not exactly an indication of integrity. More like extreme hypocrisy.

Dang is a far better person than any of these people, given that despite the amount of vitriol he's had directed at Y Combinator, HN, and him personally, he's still orders of magnitude more patient than anyone affiliated with Asahi.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by qwytw »

vuln wrote: post #105
cfiggers wrote: post #93

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> Also, couldn't find anything coming near the value of a baseline Macbook Air M1 as far as build quality, battery life, stability etc. is concerned. I have a Surface Laptop 4 with an AMD processor and 16GB of RAM. I'm extremely happy with it, though I'll concede that the build quality is a click lower than a M1 MacBook Air (two of the rubber feet have fallen off of mine, being my main ding against it) and nobody can…

> Oh, and the facial recognition unlock is the best. This is scary as fuck. Combined with all the telemetry and tracking M$ is now doing without care from within its operating system. Windows and Android are subsidized data collection applications which run on subsidized hardware. Simple as.

> Windows [...] are subsidized data collection applications which run on subsidized hardware. Simple as.

How does Microsoft monetize (or even could)? Are you just saying random things?

Also you could just install Linux, of course battery life would likely be even worse then.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by qwytw »

bee_rider wrote: post #247
mschuster91 wrote: post #232

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My M2 MBA routinely goes past 10-16 hours of life time with simple coding stuff (phpstorm and PHP in Docker), and it stays comfortably cold all time. Most Windows laptops struggle to get more than 3-4 hours and will fry off your balls if used as actual laptops.

The poster was apparently a 100% Linux person previously, though. I’m pretty sure Windows was designed to heat up like that as a funny joke. For example on Reddit I see somebody complain that they only get 5 hours with my laptop model (zenbook flip 13) https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/ry0nwb/the_asus_flip_... But it is pretty easy to get 14 in Linux I think, at least if you believe the battery indicator.

Isn't battery life generally much worse on Linux compared to Windows?

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by throw10920 »

paulmd wrote: post #346
kelnos wrote: post #308

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Hm, strange, HN seems to set referrer-policy to 'origin', which seems like it should send a referer header when going to external sites[0]? But clearly it does not. So I guess I'm just misunderstanding how that header works. [0] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Re...

Asahi and a few other websites blocked HN traffic (because of the aforementioned problems) and then HN added special nofollow/noreferrer for only these domains to prevent this. and then the sites responded with more assertive measures.

> assertive measures

This is incorrect. These sites (or at least the Asahi one) are not being "assertive" - they are being hypocritical and toxic.

Additionally, nobody has the right to selectively block links to their website. You get two options: you either let your site be publicly-viewable, with all the benefits and drawbacks, or you make it members-only and require a login. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by throw10920 »

ajdude wrote: post #228
alberth wrote: post #42

For clarity, this isn't the first conformant linux drivers. Apple themselves are not conformant to OpenGL® ES 3.1. So this is literally the first conformant OpenGL ES 3.1 drivers for M-Series, for any operating system (Apple or Non-Apple). Hence why the call to action to donate to the team. https://asahilinux.org/support/

I love what they're doing, but last time I clicked a link for asahilinux on hacker news I was taken to a pop up that specifically said that readers from Hacker News are not welcomed on their site and couldn't read their content.

Right - the Asahi Linux project specifically does not want attention from HN. I flag every Asahi-related submission here, and I encourage you to do so, too.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by camgunz »

memefrog wrote: post #423
camgunz wrote: post #381

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Doxing is nonconsensual unmasking of any kind.

No it is not. It is the revealing of personal information in such a way as to allow someone to be targeted in real life.

You're not in charge of what things mean. Here's Wikipedia:

> Doxing or doxxing is the act of publicly providing personally identifiable information about an individual or organization, usually via the Internet.

This would include publishing PII about Asahi Lina, like her "real" name, as it personally identifies her.

It's no wonder the Asahi Linux project doesn't want to talk to people with your attitude. Maybe take some time to do some introspection on why you feel so strongly about this issue, which seems to impact you not at all.

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