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Post by xp84 »

JohnBooty wrote: post #281
gumby wrote: post #211

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> In my experience, Apple doesn't like any standards it doesn't control with an iron fist I would add some nuance to this statement: "Apple likes open standards when it is weak." The iMac and early OS X went big on open standards, and Jobs made a point of pointing this out: USB for the iMac, JPEG, MPG, mp3, Postscript etc for OSX. IP/TCP built in. They even paid the danegeld for .rtf. Then as they clawed their way ba…

Then as they clawed their way back from the precipice, they started "adding value" again. I don't know if I can agree. On the software side, MacOS supports all those things. On the hardware side, it's still (edit: almost) nothing but industry-standard ports.

iChat stored every conversation (if you enabled history) in HTML files the user could find in their Documents folder and read. Messages history is stored in an undocumented SQLite database that you’re not meant to touch. I’m not saying they’re completely proprietary in every way, but you can see the progression from wide open to “keep your hands off.”

For another example, Apple Notes was actually just mail messages stored in IMAP, until they decided to deprecate that in favor of another iCloud-backed black box in order to add more features.

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Post by tverbeure »

Zetobal wrote: post #176
tornato7 wrote: post #170

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I bought a MacBook Pro in 2013 and my mom bought a Dell XPS at around the same time. Her laptop died, she got a Lenovo Yoga. That one died within a year and was replaced for free. The new one died after two years. When the M1 Air came out I gave her the old MacBook Pro, which she still uses every day, going strong (aside from battery life, but it's mostly plugged in). It has essentially outlived 4 Windows laptops. I…

The M1 won't, the SSD will wear out before that and with no way to swap, it will be landfill as well.

In 2013, TechReport did an SSD endurance test: for months, it ran non-stop write operations, a much more strenuous use case than what a regular laptop would experience, which will be primarily read operations. 4 months in, after writing 300TB, all the tested devices were still working without issue.

If the characteristics of the SSD in an M1 are sufficiently similar to the SSDs that were used back then (I have no clue if that's the case), wear out will be a non-issue.

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Post by unethical_ban »

MBCook wrote: post #326
olddustytrail wrote: post #279

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And this is exactly the kind of attitude they don’t want to deal with.

Well, Asahilinux was rude to do what they did, and the person you are responding to is a troll.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by musictubes »

therealmarv wrote: post #66
europeanNyan wrote: post #36

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I agree with you completely and yet it's practically impossible finding a worthwhile alternative. I've tried finding alternatives on my last upgrade cycle and it's like having to live with endless amounts of compromises just to get away from Apple. For the iPhone, I tried looking at the Pixel for the Vanilla Android experience and long support, yet it seems like people are fighting battery life issues all the time. N…

I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone. I would never use an iPhone for certain software and UX related issues (biggest is the missing back gesture/button). My Pixel does better photos than ANY iPhone on the market. Macbook Air M1, just look at Dell XPS series. Samsung S9 tablets have an OLED display. OLED... you don't get that on any iPad. Apple Wa…

”…missing back gesture/button”

Swipe from the left of the screen goes back a page in the current app. Swiping right on the bar at the bottom goes back to the previous app used. Two different locations but the same gesture. What else is missing for a back gesture/button?

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Post by Klonoar »

baby_souffle wrote: post #287
klausa wrote: post #227

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I remember reading that too, but I think it was on mastodon — I don't feel like tracking down that particular thread now, but maybe that helps you on your search :)

> I remember reading that too, but I think it was on mastodon — I don't feel like tracking down that particular thread now, but maybe that helps you on your search :) That would be strong evidence that there's at least _some_ support internally for them but doesn't explain why they bothered at all. The lack of explicit endorsements and documentation certainly has me thinking that at least _some_ of apple doesn't want…

> but doesn't explain why they bothered at all

I mean, you're kind of glossing over my second point from my comment:

> I'm pretty sure I've also seen it mentioned on HN itself that Linux is still used within Apple for certain aspects of hardware development, so Apple themselves need it to work to a certain degree.

Anyway, I went and dug around and found the HN discussion of that Marcan tweet that's been deleted - you can browse it below if you missed it or are curious:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29591578

Notably, this comment from Saagarjha who I trust on Apple-related matters is what I was referring to regarding Apple using Linux internally for some of their work:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29599889

All this to say, if the people who have some level of vested expert knowledge in this domain - like Marcan or Saagarjha - don't buy the conspiracy theory angle, then I'm inclined to side with them.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

bee_rider wrote: post #155
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #86

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>driver problem, touchpad randomly not working, wifi failing, all of which I've had with thinkpads. Those are Linux driver issues, not HW issues.

Incompatibility is a two-sided issue, there are enough laptops out there that work perfectly fine in Linux. But a brand isn’t a technical promise, they’ll miss with some models and hit with others. People always complain about Lenovo in these threads, I think because they are held up as the “good non-Apple laptop” brand for whatever reason. I suspect this reputation makes people assume they can just grab any random m…

>But a brand isn’t a technical promise, they’ll miss with some models and hit with others.

Sure, that's why there's now a dozen Laptop brands that ship with Linux compatibility in mind.

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Post by mkl »

memefrog wrote: post #361
ohgodplsno wrote: post #243

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> I have never seen anyone on this website [...] even transphobic at all.

These kinds of comments are here, but are are usually quickly downvoted/flagged to death. If you really want to see them, turn on showdead and look down the bottom of threads somehow related to trans people. It's not nearly as common as ohgodplsno implied though.

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Post by catchnear4321 »

hoosieree wrote: post #157
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #47

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Too many people involved in technical hiring, and too many pointless interviews. It's likely anywhere they went to interview, the people there would have no idea how good they were in the first place.

What a waste of talent... why accomplish things in real life when you can grind leetcode to give the appearance of being able to accomplish things? /s

why bother appearing to accomplish anything when one could just opine anonymously on the interwebs?

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Post by ClassyJacket »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #243
ajdude wrote: post #228

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I love what they're doing, but last time I clicked a link for asahilinux on hacker news I was taken to a pop up that specifically said that readers from Hacker News are not welcomed on their site and couldn't read their content.

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