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Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by kelnos »

bsaul wrote: post #12

"Of course, Asahi Lina and I are two individuals with minimal funding. It’s a little awkward that we beat the big corporation…" Love the euphemism. This puts Apple to shame, plain and simple. They obviously don't care about standards, or compliance, because they like people to be walled in their own little private garden (still waiting for the facetime standard, or any kind of cross-platform technology created in the…

> This puts Apple to shame, plain and simple.

Not really? Like, we can look at this and point fingers, but Apple will not be ashamed, because they do not care. They deliberately don't bother with standards conformance unless doing so is a part of their strategy. Standards conformance for OpenGL or Vulkan doesn't make sense when they want everyone to use Metal.

It's dumb, and I marvel at how childish Apple always behaves with things like this, but that's just who they are.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #208
therealmarv wrote: post #66

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I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone. I would never use an iPhone for certain software and UX related issues (biggest is the missing back gesture/button). My Pixel does better photos than ANY iPhone on the market. Macbook Air M1, just look at Dell XPS series. Samsung S9 tablets have an OLED display. OLED... you don't get that on any iPad. Apple Wa…

> I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone. Because some people, like yours truly, enjoy having a patched up-to-date mobile os, but also don't need to change their phone every other year. My Iphone 7 which I bought refurbished in February 2017, still works perfectly after a battery change. It has the previous iOS version, but it keeps receiving securi…

My android phone is from 2011. All the apps I want to run on it run on it. I know of some that won't, but I don't want to use them.

So what does this prove? Anything? Probably not.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by kossTKR »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #243
ajdude wrote: post #228

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I love what they're doing, but last time I clicked a link for asahilinux on hacker news I was taken to a pop up that specifically said that readers from Hacker News are not welcomed on their site and couldn't read their content.

[flagged]

Isn't that a weird thing to say when this thread is filled with people absolutely praising them and this achievement?

I doubt HN is more or less toxic than traffic from any other mainstream site, but maybe i'm wrong.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by xiphias2 »

matthew-wegner wrote: post #5

Why is M2 Ultra support missing? I'm curious more than anything--lack of developer hardware? Something technical? "The Khronos website lists all conformant implementations, including our drivers for the M1, M1 Pro/Max/Ultra, M2, and M2 Pro/Max." Edit: Interesting that so many people are downvoting this. I'm not complaining; I didn't know, so I asked a question. Seems like the answer is that it's too new, especially w…

It's quite expensive, so my guess is the same as yours: lack of developer hardware

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by kelnos »

therealmarv wrote: post #66
europeanNyan wrote: post #36

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I agree with you completely and yet it's practically impossible finding a worthwhile alternative. I've tried finding alternatives on my last upgrade cycle and it's like having to live with endless amounts of compromises just to get away from Apple. For the iPhone, I tried looking at the Pixel for the Vanilla Android experience and long support, yet it seems like people are fighting battery life issues all the time. N…

I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone. I would never use an iPhone for certain software and UX related issues (biggest is the missing back gesture/button). My Pixel does better photos than ANY iPhone on the market. Macbook Air M1, just look at Dell XPS series. Samsung S9 tablets have an OLED display. OLED... you don't get that on any iPad. Apple Wa…

> I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone.

I don't think most people -- even iPhone users -- hold that opinion. In the US, at least, the iPhone is still a status symbol. People have iPhones because they don't want their iMessage bubbles on others' phones to be the wrong color. They're locked into that ecosystem with various purchases and don't want to throw that away. They use a Mac and like the integration.

On top of that, I (as an Android user) am constantly uncomfortable running a mobile OS built by a company that exists mainly to track people's behavior and invade their privacy, with the goal of selling ads (and I am more vehemently anti-advertising than most people). As much as I don't fully buy "Apple's commitment to privacy", they are in a much better place in that regard than Android is. I lock my phone down and give nearly every app (including Google's) zero permissions, and only enable (and then immediately disable[0]) as necessary, but I'm still convinced my privacy posture would probably be better with an iPhone. But I don't want to live in that walled-garden nanny-state, so that's that.

[0] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samruston....

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by kelnos »

Closi wrote: post #117
bwanab wrote: post #98

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My son bought a Dell XPS for exactly that reason. After 1.5 years, the battery life was at 50%. He called Dell support and they said it was normal. He's now in the market for a MacBook Air M2.

I can’t believe my M1 Mac is almost 3 years old, performs just like the day I bought it (blazingly fast). My work Thinkpad from the same period feels half way dead.

That's likely more a reflection of the software you run (and update over time) than of the hardware itself, no?

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by renewiltord »

stirlo wrote: post #261
renewiltord wrote: post #214

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The Github link there goes to marcan, who leads Asahi, but I want to primarily support this driver development. Is that an option? If so, where do I do that? If not, I'll just use this later today.

In Asahi Lina’s guest post[1] on the Asahi Linux blog she mentions “If you want to support my work, you can donate to marcan’s Asahi Linux support fund on GitHub Sponsors or Patreon, which helps me out too!” So yes, donating to Marcan helps driver development too. [1] https://asahilinux.org/2023/03/road-to-vulkan/

Thanks!

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by sbuk »

nullwarp wrote: post #288
sbuk wrote: post #255

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I have an M1 Pro 14 and a work-issued P14s, which is awful. Creaky plastic, the worst trackpad I've ever used, has a terrible display, spongey keys and runs unfathomably hot. All. The. Time. Every time I see someone recommending Lenovo, I cringe. It is night and day when compared to the MacBook Pro.

Weirdly I have both of these as well and feel total opposite. Give me the Thinkpad keyboard any day of the week. The mac keyboard feels down right anemic. I wish mac would stop making the track pad so damn big though, the amount of palm activations I have on that thing drive me bonkers.

I'm intrigued by this. I'm typing this one-handed on the MacBook with my other hand resting on the trackpad without interference of any kind. The hinged trackpad on the P14s takes between 5-10 minutes to be useable from a cold start (these happen often due to the combination of an anaemic battery and power-hungry Intel processor); it's as though it needs to warm up. It is a pile of overpriced junk not worth the value of the parts it's made with. I've had other ThinkPads and generally disliked them - even the X series, but that boiled down to personal taste - not a fan of the aesthetic - and a crap trackpad. This P14s, though, is unmitigated shite.

My experience of the P14s says that either I have a dud (other colleagues complain vociferously about them, too), your MacBook is defective, or both. None of which are ideal!

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by WhereIsTheTruth »

softfalcon wrote: post #197

I wonder if support for OpenGL, Vulkan, etc will improve now that Apple is partnering with nVidia, Adobe, Autodesk, Microsoft, etc around the OpenUSD rendering/animation/CAD/3D-scene format? Considering the whole schtick of OpenUSD is "one file format that renders consistently everywhere" (paraphrasing), I would be surprised if Apple doesn't use it as a means to cement more 3D software vendors into macOS land. It's r…

> 1. Apple conforms to the existing standards of OpenGL and Vulkan we see gaining steam for many film and game production pipelines.

Read what gamedevs have to say about this, Metal is more appreciated than Vulkan

> 2. Apple tries to throw its weight around and force devs to support their Metal standards even more, ultimately hoping to force the world onto Metal + macOS.

Apple was part of the Vulkan working group, knowing what gamedevs prefer, it now make sense why they parted away and created Metal instead

In retrospect I can only show compassion to Apple, they made the right choice

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by yencabulator »

kelnos wrote: post #308
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #293

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That's because HN has since removed referral headers on links, to work around this specific kind of blockage.

Hm, strange, HN seems to set referrer-policy to 'origin', which seems like it should send a referer header when going to external sites[0]? But clearly it does not. So I guess I'm just misunderstanding how that header works. [0] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Re...

Look at the link itself:

    https://asahilinux.org/support/
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