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Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by atoav »

jmull wrote: post #156
bsaul wrote: post #12

"Of course, Asahi Lina and I are two individuals with minimal funding. It’s a little awkward that we beat the big corporation…" Love the euphemism. This puts Apple to shame, plain and simple. They obviously don't care about standards, or compliance, because they like people to be walled in their own little private garden (still waiting for the facetime standard, or any kind of cross-platform technology created in the…

I just don't see how it's incumbent on Apple to implement a standard only because it exists. It takes significant resources and impacts release schedules to, say, support an on-going vulkan implementation... I think there would need to be a business argument for it. Avoiding "shame" probably doesn't cut it. It just strikes me as strange when people expect Apple to spend money and focus on their own personal prioritie…

> I just don't see how it's incumbent on Apple to implement a standard only because it exists.

I mean it isn't. But it would be nice if they supported at least any graphics standard.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by blackoil »

vuln wrote: post #105
cfiggers wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, couldn't find anything coming near the value of a baseline Macbook Air M1 as far as build quality, battery life, stability etc. is concerned. I have a Surface Laptop 4 with an AMD processor and 16GB of RAM. I'm extremely happy with it, though I'll concede that the build quality is a click lower than a M1 MacBook Air (two of the rubber feet have fallen off of mine, being my main ding against it) and nobody can…

> Oh, and the facial recognition unlock is the best. This is scary as fuck. Combined with all the telemetry and tracking M$ is now doing without care from within its operating system. Windows and Android are subsidized data collection applications which run on subsidized hardware. Simple as.

LOL, How would you unlock iPhone?

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by insanitybit »

tverbeure wrote: post #178
insanitybit wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When most people you know use iMessage then Android is a bad experience. Isn't this because Android uses open standards for its SMS and iOS refuses to do so?

Does it matter for me as a user?

No, and I wouldn't want to imply otherwise. I was genuinely asking because my recollection is that the answer is "yes" but I don't recall.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by mrweasel »

therealmarv wrote: post #66
europeanNyan wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you completely and yet it's practically impossible finding a worthwhile alternative. I've tried finding alternatives on my last upgrade cycle and it's like having to live with endless amounts of compromises just to get away from Apple. For the iPhone, I tried looking at the Pixel for the Vanilla Android experience and long support, yet it seems like people are fighting battery life issues all the time. N…

I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone. I would never use an iPhone for certain software and UX related issues (biggest is the missing back gesture/button). My Pixel does better photos than ANY iPhone on the market. Macbook Air M1, just look at Dell XPS series. Samsung S9 tablets have an OLED display. OLED... you don't get that on any iPad. Apple Wa…

> I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone.

Because Google... I could live with not having iMessage or AirPlay, that's annoying but something I could live with. So it's either a de-googled Android phone or iPhone, and I do need a few apps which are only available in the App Store or Play Store, so I figure I'm limited to phones that can run something like CalyxOS, which basically limits me to Pixel or FairPhone.

The FairPhone isn't a terrible choice, but I'm not going to replace a functional iPhone with it... if it break maybe, or I can get a used iPhone.

It's not that I trust Apple all that much, I just trust them way more than Google at this point. I don't think Google is evil or bad, but their interest and mine doesn't really align.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by Vt71fcAqt7 »

jmull wrote: post #156
bsaul wrote: post #12

"Of course, Asahi Lina and I are two individuals with minimal funding. It’s a little awkward that we beat the big corporation…" Love the euphemism. This puts Apple to shame, plain and simple. They obviously don't care about standards, or compliance, because they like people to be walled in their own little private garden (still waiting for the facetime standard, or any kind of cross-platform technology created in the…

I just don't see how it's incumbent on Apple to implement a standard only because it exists. It takes significant resources and impacts release schedules to, say, support an on-going vulkan implementation... I think there would need to be a business argument for it. Avoiding "shame" probably doesn't cut it. It just strikes me as strange when people expect Apple to spend money and focus on their own personal prioritie…

Developers don't want to create seperate Apple only backends for everything. Users want to use software, they don't care about what backend is used. When Apple has to personally implement a metal backend for blender, it's obvious that there is a problem. This is despite blender being one of the most well-funded open source projects. Having to support multiple backends also increases development time and future tech-debt surface area. It's mostly not a moral arguemt as you seem to imply. This is just a feature that developers and users want. Apple is free to not implement it. It just means that many apps will not support Apple, or they will support it at the cost of other features, or they will use MoltenVK.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by shoffmeister »

europeanNyan wrote: post #36
bsaul wrote: post #12

"Of course, Asahi Lina and I are two individuals with minimal funding. It’s a little awkward that we beat the big corporation…" Love the euphemism. This puts Apple to shame, plain and simple. They obviously don't care about standards, or compliance, because they like people to be walled in their own little private garden (still waiting for the facetime standard, or any kind of cross-platform technology created in the…

I agree with you completely and yet it's practically impossible finding a worthwhile alternative. I've tried finding alternatives on my last upgrade cycle and it's like having to live with endless amounts of compromises just to get away from Apple. For the iPhone, I tried looking at the Pixel for the Vanilla Android experience and long support, yet it seems like people are fighting battery life issues all the time. N…

> I've tried finding alternatives on my last upgrade cycle and it's like having to live with endless amounts of compromises just to get away from Apple.

Everything is a compromise.

A while ago, I wanted a new notebook:

I looked very hard at a 16" M1 Pro with 64 GB of RAM, at approximately USD 4000, tiniest storage possible. I really really wanted to run this with Asahi Linux.

I purchased a Dell Inspiron 7610 with 16" display (and known design touchpad design defects), 3K resolution, sort of light-weight, Tiger Lake 11800H CPU, Intel + Nvidia hybrid graphics, now running at 64 GB of DDR4 RAM, 2 TB of very fast PCIe 4 SSD, 1 TB of PCIe 3 SSD.

Professionally I run this with Windows 11 Professional + VMware Workstation -> Fedora 38 because of an Azure VPN; in my private life this is plain Fedora 38 dual-booted.

Why? USD 1700. Less than half the cost.

Native podman / docker. CUDA. The (still) dominant architecture (x86). I am typing on Proper Keyboards anyway.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by mmaunder »

bsaul wrote: post #12

"Of course, Asahi Lina and I are two individuals with minimal funding. It’s a little awkward that we beat the big corporation…" Love the euphemism. This puts Apple to shame, plain and simple. They obviously don't care about standards, or compliance, because they like people to be walled in their own little private garden (still waiting for the facetime standard, or any kind of cross-platform technology created in the…

Yep. Just switched to PC for Davinci Resolve renders/exports and built a threadripper 64 core with 128G of RAM, 16 TB of SSD, dual RTX 4090 GPUs and dual thunderbolt 4 ports with awesome cooling for $15K. Something worse from Apple would cost you three times that and be less serviceable.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

padjo wrote: post #166
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>driver problem, touchpad randomly not working, wifi failing, all of which I've had with thinkpads. Those are Linux driver issues, not HW issues.

And when I can’t join a call because the Wi-Fi has stopped working I’m sure everyone will appreciate that distinction

Did Lenovo sell you the laptop with Linux compatibility explicitly stated?

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by Dinux »

jmull wrote: post #156
bsaul wrote: post #12

"Of course, Asahi Lina and I are two individuals with minimal funding. It’s a little awkward that we beat the big corporation…" Love the euphemism. This puts Apple to shame, plain and simple. They obviously don't care about standards, or compliance, because they like people to be walled in their own little private garden (still waiting for the facetime standard, or any kind of cross-platform technology created in the…

I just don't see how it's incumbent on Apple to implement a standard only because it exists. It takes significant resources and impacts release schedules to, say, support an on-going vulkan implementation... I think there would need to be a business argument for it. Avoiding "shame" probably doesn't cut it. It just strikes me as strange when people expect Apple to spend money and focus on their own personal prioritie…

What? I'd argue the graphics APIs are one of the most important interfaces right now. It's not that we all feel good if apple would adhere to standards for once, it's supporting a legacy of applications that have been build over the last 20 years or so. Allowing a platform to be used however the rest of the industry has been evolving, not cheap vendor locking
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