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Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by jshier »

mschuster91 wrote: post #26

One thing that I'd love to see is a Proton version for M1/M2 Apple Silicon... UTM is the only thing that runs x86 VMs and for whatever reason its QEMU guest tool drivers are all completely buggy and everything is dog slow (and of course, Windows refusing to load unsigned drivers on Win7 x64 makes trying out different drivers pretty much impossible).

Apple's Game Porting Toolkit (https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2023/10123/) is essentially Proton for macOS. However, they've bizarrely restricted its use to testing your own games, and don't offer it as a general Proton-like solution for playing Windows games on macOS. You can't ship a game that uses it.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by freeflight »

haunter wrote: post #22

11 years ago today (2012, Aug 21) Valve released CSGO forever changing gaming сука блять

I'd argue the original mod/1.6 had a much bigger impact on gaming than CSGO.

The impact of Steam, as the first digital distribution platform for video games, is probably magnitudes bigger again.

Valve was so far ahead of the competition, and still remains there to this day.

Which is kind of a miracle, in some alternate timeline we could have ended with EA as the patron of PC gaming.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by gpderetta »

heyoni wrote: post #89
MrDresden wrote: post #48

Threw my Windows partition away 4 years ago and haven't looked back since. Steam has earned my business with their work on Proton.

I keep windows for 1 reason: call of duty. all those games with kernel level anticheats have trouble running on linux apparently :\

I have had luck running CoD on a VM with GPU passtrough. It is not necessarily less cumbersome than dual booting though.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by swozey »

gumballindie wrote: post #102
stetrain wrote: post #29

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Yep, if Apple could get over their stubbornness and work with Valve on this it would be fantastic for customers of both companies. Apple has done some work with their game porting toolkit to support certain flavors of DirectX games with a combo of Wine and Rosetta. But this isn’t officially pitched as tool for end users to run Windows games.

Why not switch to linux though? You know there's some real cool hardware available out there that looks and feels way better than a mac, and battery aside, can do a lot more, is upgradeable and not locked in. Just a thought.

This is hilariously biased. This is HN, you're not talking to people who don't know what Linux is. Hell, a huge portion of us are linux engineers of various sorts. You're also in a thread literally about a linux app.

Anyway. I would never, ever use Linux as a desktop environment over OSX after the experiences I've had with it over the last 20+ years. OSX GUI applications absolutely blow everything that Linux has out of the water. I don't care if we're talking KDE, i3, dwm, cinnamon. The worst part about OSX applications is they aren't cheap. Even small apps like Soundsource a https://rogueamoeba.com/soundsource/ are usually $30+ but they are fantastic.

The thought of using pipewire and all the configuration hell you have to do to it to make it like Soundsource is a complete turn off. OSX apps work. They integrate. They look great and there are a LOT of them that do pretty unique things that I haven't seen in Windows or Linux.

I work on Linux 8 hours a day from OSX and about 30% of my time is using Win11 on my gaming desktop.

Also, now that I'm on an m1 max there is no way in the world I'm going back to x86 as my productivity machine.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by freeflight »

_cenw wrote: post #75
calderknight wrote: post #32

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Don't look at a calendar, it will be a depressing experience.

to be fair, CSGO was a failure for the first few years of its existence. so it's likely you're remembering it best from around 2016. all I know is that I have the operation payback challenge coin, but no real memory of those maps. i do wish they'd bring back some of the operation maps... (santorini anyone?)

As far as I remember CSGO did way better than CS:Source, which never really caught on until the point where it became a bit of a "retro" curiosity.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by heyoni »

gpderetta wrote: post #133
heyoni wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep windows for 1 reason: call of duty. all those games with kernel level anticheats have trouble running on linux apparently :\

I have had luck running CoD on a VM with GPU passtrough. It is not necessarily less cumbersome than dual booting though.

That is my next goal right right after I master NixOS! The learning curve is steep for nix itself and I know vfio is no walk in the park. I want to make sure if I'm doing complicated stuff like that, I can at least roll things back to a clean state if they break.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by gumballindie »

swozey wrote: post #134
gumballindie wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not switch to linux though? You know there's some real cool hardware available out there that looks and feels way better than a mac, and battery aside, can do a lot more, is upgradeable and not locked in. Just a thought.

This is hilariously biased. This is HN, you're not talking to people who don't know what Linux is. Hell, a huge portion of us are linux engineers of various sorts. You're also in a thread literally about a linux app. Anyway. I would never, ever use Linux as a desktop environment over OSX after the experiences I've had with it over the last 20+ years. OSX GUI applications absolutely blow everything that Linux has out…

> I would never, ever use Linux as a desktop environment over OSX after the experiences I've had with it over the last 20+ years.

You probably had enough of it. I’d be sick of it after 20 years even if it were the shiniest option out there.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by swozey »

gumballindie wrote: post #137
swozey wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is hilariously biased. This is HN, you're not talking to people who don't know what Linux is. Hell, a huge portion of us are linux engineers of various sorts. You're also in a thread literally about a linux app. Anyway. I would never, ever use Linux as a desktop environment over OSX after the experiences I've had with it over the last 20+ years. OSX GUI applications absolutely blow everything that Linux has out…

> I would never, ever use Linux as a desktop environment over OSX after the experiences I've had with it over the last 20+ years. You probably had enough of it. I’d be sick of it after 20 years even if it were the shiniest option out there.

lol You're 100% right. I don't enjoy fixing linux at all after work. I used to do the VFIO GPU gaming desktop w/ linux + windows passthrough but I finally got over it and just installed windows on my desktop.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by badsectoracula »

heyoni wrote: post #85
jjoonathan wrote: post #59

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Nice! HDR is the one thing that keeps me booting to windows for games, but I am eagerly watching the progress. One day soon!

is ray tracing also unsupported on linux?

For me it is supported better on Linux than on Windows because my GPU (RX 5700 XT) does not actually have HW raytracing but Mesa has a software fallback for it :-P. If nothing else i was able to see what the fuss was all about[0][1][2].

Though, well, performance was a tiny bit lacking as you can see (i actually had to modify the Quake RTX code to let me use lower resolution scale than the official binary allowed :-P).

[0] https://i.imgur.com/3XNakAs.png

[1] https://i.imgur.com/AKJInNg.png

[2] https://i.imgur.com/faagg2Q.png

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