How Hinge's algorithm decides who you date • Hacker News Board

Re: How Hinge's algorithm decides who you date

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Post by mentalpiracy » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 5:57 PM UTC

landr0id wrote: post #17

>Anthony couldn’t think of anything that might have gotten his account flagged. Regardless, Hinge didn’t offer an explanation for his experience. It's been a while since I've been on Hinge, but Hinge is not like Tinder in terms of edgy/risque conversation, and I played every conversation with a match safe. I woke up one morning and was banned. They say you can appeal, but this seems like mostly something to make you…

One important detail to add: hinge limits users to one new match per day.

This fact also goes into the calculation when grading user interactions.

Re: How Hinge's algorithm decides who you date

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Post by yomlica8 » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 5:58 PM UTC

zdragnar wrote: post #6

bradley13 wrote: post #2

Look at the incentives. Dating apps want you to keep paying. That means they don't want you to meet someone worth entering a long-term rrlationship with. They want you to have just enough success to stay a customer. The occasional, not-awful date. Like playing the slots: you get occasional, small payouts, and you hear about other people winning jackpots (oops, they slipped up), so you keep putting money in. A believa…

This erroneously believes that the owners think the following: 1- it is possible to completely tap the dating market and long term customers are necessary 2- customers all have a similar threshold at which they are just-successful enough to stay engaged long term Neither of these things are true. The more people "win the jackpot", per your analogy, the more people will use the platform. The market is big enough they…

> 2- customers all have a similar threshold at which they are just-successful enough to stay engaged long term

Don't they just create fake bot accounts to draw you back in when they detect you've abandoned the app? I'd imagine the app is tuned to maximum scam based on the individual user not using a single set of values.

Re: How Hinge's algorithm decides who you date

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Post by hospitalJail » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 5:58 PM UTC

laurent123456 wrote: post #15

hospitalJail wrote: post #10

I wonder why these Algorithms need to be opaque? If everyone knew the rules, it would be a level playing ground. Instead it allows the people who have all day/financial incentives to learn the rules.

If you had read the article, you'd know the answer to your question: > Rule breakers often make new accounts after an outright ban, so the subtle yet frustrating shadowban can be a better way to curb misbehavior.

I read the article, that isn't relevant to my original post.

The 'Algorithm' applies outside of one dating app.

Re: How Hinge's algorithm decides who you date

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Post by lancesells » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 5:58 PM UTC

latchkey wrote: post #12

TrackerFF wrote: post #7

I downloaded Tinder right after I got single, back in 2015? It was glorious. It really did feel fun and exciting - I'm by no means a model-looking dude, but I got hundreds of matches in a fairly small place (think city with population of 50k), and people just felt more genuine and interested on the various apps back then. Next time around I tried Tinder et. al. was a couple of years later(2018/2019), and I immediatel…

> Next time around I tried Tinder et. al. was a couple of years later(2018/2019), and I immediately noticed less matches, less convos, and the app being more pushy. They also filter you based on age. When I turned 40+, everything changed in terms of presentation and matches literally the next day.

Don't you think it's the user settings doing that to you? As in people setting their ages preferences on decades?

Re: How Hinge's algorithm decides who you date

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Post by mikeyouse » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 5:59 PM UTC

Many of the popular dating apps are all owned by Match group -- Tinder, Match.com, Meetic, OkCupid, Hinge, Plenty of Fish, OurTime, etc. etc. It was a huge private equity play under IAC for awhile and then they spun out and IPOed but the universal dark patterns and enshitification isn't coincidental.

Re: How Hinge's algorithm decides who you date

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Post by lapcat » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 6:00 PM UTC

> With the exception of Bumble and Grindr, almost every popular American dating app is owned by a single company called Match Group, including Hinge, Tinder, Match.com, OkCupid, Plenty of Fish, and many others.

This is truly a nightmare. How did we allow such a crucial human function, finding a mate, to become monopolized? Both Democrats and Republicans need to date (though maybe not each other), so the issue should be bipartisan.

I feel like ever since Microsoft got a slap on the wrist back in 2001 (a few days before 9/11), antitrust law has more or less ceased to exist.

Re: How Hinge's algorithm decides who you date

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Post by matt3210 » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 6:01 PM UTC

The top profiles are not real people. Especially with AI now we could generate 50 ideal matches which only take paid-likes and has generic AI responses if any

Re: How Hinge's algorithm decides who you date

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Post by toomuchtodo » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 6:02 PM UTC

latchkey wrote: post #12

TrackerFF wrote: post #7

I downloaded Tinder right after I got single, back in 2015? It was glorious. It really did feel fun and exciting - I'm by no means a model-looking dude, but I got hundreds of matches in a fairly small place (think city with population of 50k), and people just felt more genuine and interested on the various apps back then. Next time around I tried Tinder et. al. was a couple of years later(2018/2019), and I immediatel…

> Next time around I tried Tinder et. al. was a couple of years later(2018/2019), and I immediately noticed less matches, less convos, and the app being more pushy. They also filter you based on age. When I turned 40+, everything changed in terms of presentation and matches literally the next day.

You don’t look a day over 35 on a dating app.

Re: How Hinge's algorithm decides who you date

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Post by latchkey » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 6:02 PM UTC

strulovich wrote: post #19

latchkey wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Next time around I tried Tinder et. al. was a couple of years later(2018/2019), and I immediately noticed less matches, less convos, and the app being more pushy. They also filter you based on age. When I turned 40+, everything changed in terms of presentation and matches literally the next day.

Isn’t turning 40 just likely to remove you from all users filtering up to 39, which sounds like a natural setting many users would choose?

Often those settings are ignored or fuzzy. Tinder also doesn't show you what someone else's settings are, so you can't game that. When I'd set my age ranges to 30+, I'd still see people younger than that because the person on the other end would put older ranges in. It is kind of a two way fuzzy search engine.

I built a super popular dating app right before Tinder came onto the market... our search was intentionally pretty fuzzy in this regard.

Re: How Hinge's algorithm decides who you date

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Post by toasted-subs » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 6:02 PM UTC

lapcat wrote: post #26

> With the exception of Bumble and Grindr, almost every popular American dating app is owned by a single company called Match Group, including Hinge, Tinder, Match.com, OkCupid, Plenty of Fish, and many others. This is truly a nightmare. How did we allow such a crucial human function, finding a mate, to become monopolized? Both Democrats and Republicans need to date (though maybe not each other), so the issue should…

One company who owes all of dating apps which decides almost a third of all relationships means they are responsible for almost every negative thing that happens. The job is also a bit too germanic for me, they are effective causing a holocaust.