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Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Windows 11 Enterprise + activate it with MAS. It's a clean Windows 11 w/o anything. Windows 10 LTSC is the same. (Windows 11 LTSC will come later next year) I use these for years and don't have any problems.

Not everyone wants to cough up for an Enterprise license for a home PC.

You guys are missing the part where they suggest the MAS activator; that is, to pirate it.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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post #88

Ugh. I’m OS homeless. Windows is full of garbage. MacOS jumped the shark on UI and is irritating in so many ways as it tries to be some Frankenstein’s monster of a desktop and mobile-inspired UI. And Linux is incapable of watching videos in a browser without destroying my CPU (Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux) and continues with all the classic “engineers don’t do UX” problems. Not one option feels “good…

Just in case this might be useful: https://github.com/elFarto/nvidia-vaapi-driver works with Firefox.

I've tried this specific driver every which way and it just will not work for me. At hour two I had a moment of, "am I actually hand holding an OS through learning how to watch a video that my phone can do effortlessly 10 years ago?"

Oh I remember now, it was missing a whole bunch of dependencies on Jammy, so it was taking me down a dark path of figuring out the compilation story for a bunch of stuff.

I'm not interested in babysitting my OS. I have real work I want to do with my limited time. It's a very frustrating UX... insofar as there basically is no UX.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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I started my machine for the first time in a couple of months yesterday; I mostly use it for gaming. The taskbar “Search” box had a new “fun” little icon representing whatever search item they wanted to advertise to me today. Had to find windows “tips” site to work out how to turn it off… Not as egregious as “full screen game adverts on login screen by default” though.

> The taskbar “Search” box had a new “fun” little icon representing whatever search item they wanted to advertise to me today. Had to find windows “tips” site to work out how to turn it off… It boggles my mind how people don't find it absolutely infuriating. I watch quite a lot of streams and people always have 3 things enabled that I personally would disable instantly: - huge searchbox taking a good 1/3 of the taskb…

> "I assume that vast majority of Windows users just don't care."

Most of them it's not so much that they don't care as it is that they've been literally brainwashed their entire lives to believe that Windows holds the top market position because it's somehow "superior" to other operating systems. They really truly believe the decades old Ballmer FUD about other operating systems. It's impossible in their minds that Microsoft gained such a stranglehold over the PC operating system market through completely unethical, borderline illegal means, and no amount of well-documented historical fact can change their minds about it. It's very nearly a literal cult.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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htop is a good task manager. At least for me.

what do you do if you cannot launch it? because everything is frozen

What no_time said is the answer. Me personally, I always have it running so that I can see what is running.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Your local supermarket almost certainly does do that for that reason.

I have lived in many US states, and I have never experienced this in 30+ years. The end caps might change periodically, but the location of 99% of items is the same every time I have gone. Costco would probably be guilty of moving things around the most, but I assume this is partly due to their logistics and partly due to them wanting people to browse.

My father, an inveterate Costco shopper, has a half-joke about this, because also the cashiers will routinely inquire if you "found everything OK?"

He says that this is actually a threshold poll, and if too many people respond "yes" that triggers the Grand Reshuffling of Merchandise overnight!

I actually think he's exactly right. Why does a cashier care whether you found everything? You're already checking out, it's too late to go hunting for more, and the cashier can't be the one who could help you look. So it's not an invitation to customer service, it's simply gauging your satisfaction.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Has anyone become so disillusioned with windows that they just have a windows pc sitting around collecting dust? Sometimes I still need to use some legacy program or whatever on there but I feel like the last time I booted into that thing was over a month ago now.

Windows is nowadays required for maybe 2 major things: games (I know, Wine is a thing, but let's be honest: it is very much still a hit or miss), and some video conference software (e.g. webex with camera). I install Windows only for job interviews. Usually I install it 2 days ahead, and keep running windows update repeatedly, until it finally finishes with everything, and I can use the system for a 30 minutes call,…

I still use Windows for Photoshop and for games. Sure, more and more games seem to work with Steam's thing, but I sometimes get a noticeable performance boost when playing the same title under Windows compared to Linux. There was some Tomb Raider game which could barely do FHD on Linux but worked perfectly with max settings and 4k under Windows.

> and some video conference software (e.g. webex with camera

Meh, IME webex works fine enough in a browser (Firefox/X11). I haven't had any more issues under than Linux than my colleagues running Windows. Even Teams is just as crappy under Linux.

> [bluetooth]

I like when people complain about Linux and the proverbial crappy sound issues. The best Bluetooth headphone experience I've ever had was hands down Linux (though I've never had AirPods). It's the only one which connects reliably to my phones right away (macos was usually good enough at this) and it's also the only one that can use the better codec (ldac).

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Ugh. I’m OS homeless. Windows is full of garbage. MacOS jumped the shark on UI and is irritating in so many ways as it tries to be some Frankenstein’s monster of a desktop and mobile-inspired UI. And Linux is incapable of watching videos in a browser without destroying my CPU (Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux) and continues with all the classic “engineers don’t do UX” problems. Not one option feels “good…

> Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux That's… not true. Fact, they don't support VA-API, but there is support for some other methods like NVDEC. Programs like mpv can use it directly while for something like Firefox you can use a wrapper like nvidia-vaapi-driver[1]. It's not ideal, but that's what you get from buying their stuff. [1] https://github.com/elFarto/nvidia-vaapi-driver

So 1. I'm using the wrong hardware. It's my fault. 2. I'm using the wrong browser. 3. I should be working out the dependency story and compiling some driver from Github myself.

It's 2023. For me that means my OS cannot hardware decode video. It's just not a real option for maybe 99% of PC users.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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It's funny (in a bad way) that all this telemetry and optimization somehow optimizes for basically antisocial behavior. If I translate what you write into plain language: "every time we upset people by deliberately altering the interface, they are forced to rediscover things and they might start using some new bullshit we want to push". Imagine if your local supermarket regularly reshuffled all the wares because this…

Your local supermarket almost certainly does do that for that reason.

Supermarkets can probably only do this to a very limited extent. Moving entire aisles of product has a large human labor and training cost they would need to pay for, not to mention physical space and plate wiring limitations. They can't just chain a few code blocks every time some one gets a bright idea.

I will say costco will often move a product I regularly buy to an endcap to put it on sale. Then I can't find it anymore and am unable to buy it that week. I've tried asking the employees where it went but they never know either. Now I do a brief scan and then give up. For all I know they stopped carrying the product entirely.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Ugh. I’m OS homeless. Windows is full of garbage. MacOS jumped the shark on UI and is irritating in so many ways as it tries to be some Frankenstein’s monster of a desktop and mobile-inspired UI. And Linux is incapable of watching videos in a browser without destroying my CPU (Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux) and continues with all the classic “engineers don’t do UX” problems. Not one option feels “good…

What do you mean about the MacOS UI? It sounds like you're talking about Stage Manager (which I love but understand not liking) but it should be disabled by default.

Big Sur's redesign is an unusable mess. Window borders are pure white. Contrast is non-existent, especially on buttons (both light and dark modes). Too much transparency, it's not just distracting - the menu bar is often unusable (depending on your wallpaper). Many builtin apps exercise too much freedom in customising the look&feel, everything is inconsistent. I understand this was done to bring the design language closer to iOS, or to make iOS apps feel more at home on the Mac. They are not - every time you run an iOS app, it really feels out of place.

Some of this can be remedied with accessibility settings. Most things will likely stay broken until someone at Apple calls for yet another pointless redesign that will break something else in return.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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> how do you deal with absence of working task manager? I see people offering nice advice here but I mostly do ps aux | grep thing and then kill (-9) it... or killall :) > any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. I had the everything freeze up experience initially on a Dell laptop and frankly don't know what was the cause. Maybe missing microcode updates…

I know how to use ps or top. what to do when you cannot launch terminal even?

Ctrl+alt+f2 (Or any other F) will give you additional login terminal.
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