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Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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>A prompt to pair your phone with your PC. >A Microsoft 365 trial offer. >A 100GB OneDrive offer. >A $1 introductory PC Game Pass offer. Whats so bad about those?

Walled gardens to keep you in the Microsoft ecosystem forever

You believe that companies shouldnt ad their other services in their products?

I disagree. Ecosystems enable better ux, look at Apple.

Also nobody prevents you from moving your files from OneDrive to e.g Google

Or using Google docs instead of MS Word

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Phew. After being a Windows user for literally almost two decades I've happily migrated to Linux and couldn't be happier. Yep, it took some time to prepare but let's be frank, developers already use quite a lot of Linux/Unix tools already so why not cut the middleman and just work directly with what we need most?

how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…

I've never experienced that EVERYTHING freezes up.

If something hangs I just kill or pkill it via the terminal.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

#54

It's because everyone got super happy to give their money to apple who has a similar experience in ipad etc. Want to setup apple wallet? Oh you're not backed up here's an iCloud offer in your settings menu. Etc etc. It's gross but it's sort of the norm now. Why shouldn't Microsoft do it if that's ok when apple does it?

There is one difference. In macOS if you pay for Apple One all the annoyances go away. In windows, even if you pay for MS365, stuff is still really annoying.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Phew. After being a Windows user for literally almost two decades I've happily migrated to Linux and couldn't be happier. Yep, it took some time to prepare but let's be frank, developers already use quite a lot of Linux/Unix tools already so why not cut the middleman and just work directly with what we need most?

Exactly. I made the switch from MacOS and couldn't be happier. The fun thing is that with Linux these days you have the option of a powerful workstation that you can upgrade be it laptop or desktop, can do gaming, and is private. The next thing for me is to "decloud" - meaning remove any and all online services that are not mission critical.

I use an iPhone and other than that I hope to not use anything else that’s so cloud reliable. Maybe an AppleTV if I get one, but I only watch sports so a few cable channels are more than enough for me I think.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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post #5

Phew. After being a Windows user for literally almost two decades I've happily migrated to Linux and couldn't be happier. Yep, it took some time to prepare but let's be frank, developers already use quite a lot of Linux/Unix tools already so why not cut the middleman and just work directly with what we need most?

how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…

Every distribution has its variation of a task manager, and there’s always (h)top and kill as baseline standards.

Having everything lock up I don’t think I’ve ever seen, only way I could see that happen is a runaway process eats all the memory of the machine, and somehow dodges the OOM killer. Especially if the machine is configured with no swap (don’t do that).

And I’m saying that as someone who doesn’t really like linux.

> forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal

Have you considered that “copy pasting random nonsense into terminal” could be the source of your issues?

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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The year of the Linux Desktop is finally here. Not because Linux solved any of it's problems or added long-awaited features, no. Just because Windows gets shittier every day by adding more crapware, dark patterns, telemetry, and nudging dialogs.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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what is a 'super key'?

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Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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post #5

Phew. After being a Windows user for literally almost two decades I've happily migrated to Linux and couldn't be happier. Yep, it took some time to prepare but let's be frank, developers already use quite a lot of Linux/Unix tools already so why not cut the middleman and just work directly with what we need most?

how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…

> how do you deal with absence of working task manager?

I usually end up using something like htop for a quick overview, together with nvidia-smi when I do GPU-related stuff.

> any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up.

I've not had this happen for as long as I've used Linux, besides GPU driver bugs/crashes that brought down the computer, but I've had this happen more frequently on Windows than Linux. Processes using up all CPU should make the computer a lot slower to use, but shouldn't bring it down. Processes using up all RAM should be killed by the OOM manager that you distribution should include (but anyways you should have swap setup to avoid the situation in the first place). Processes using up all disk space is a bit harder, but again shouldn't bring the computer down.

> a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal.

I'm guessing the problem of having things stop working/breaking "magically" is a effect of random copypasting stuff into the terminal, not the other way around.

Linux does want you to learn about the system in order for you to not mangle it, which has it's good and bad sides. Think of it like a chef having sharp knives in order to do their job better, it's true that you could do more damage if you fuck up, but their job requires them to have professional knowledge about the tools they use, and the knowledge about how to use those tools in a good way.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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>A prompt to pair your phone with your PC. >A Microsoft 365 trial offer. >A 100GB OneDrive offer. >A $1 introductory PC Game Pass offer. Whats so bad about those?

In Futurama, there is a gag where Fry finds out about ads being injected in his dreams through brain waves or something. When he is upset by this, his peers do not understand him. So he explains: "Of course we had ads in the 20th century... but only on billboards, and buses, and milk cartons, and [list goes on for a while]. But not in dreams! Nuh-uh!"

I think what's happening here is two things: First, a personal computing device is fundamentally an extension of your own self into the digital world, functioning similar to how you use your limbs to interact with the physical world. Having a personal computing device overtly act in someone else's interest and not yours is not that dissimilar to having someone else manipulate your arms and legs to force you to go to certain places or interact with things that you don't want to.

Second, most ads have the redeeming quality of being ignorable. If there's an ad on a billboard, I can look somewhere else instead or just close my eyes. If there's an ad on a news website, I can (hopefully!) scroll past it. If there's an ad in my dreams (or indeed, on my home screen), it's forcing itself on me and violating that premise of ignorability.

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