>A prompt to pair your phone with your PC. >A Microsoft 365 trial offer. >A 100GB OneDrive offer. >A $1 introductory PC Game Pass offer. Whats so bad about those?
Walled gardens to keep you in the Microsoft ecosystem forever
Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron
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Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron
#42Now it's just like the Apple experience!
Anyone who thinks otherwise, do go through a full install and then observe how many apps are installed that you cannot uninstall.
And it's true that you can't really uninstall things from Windows either... Xbox 360 Bar... it will be there forever. If you ever touch Windows Hello PIN logon, that will never be disabled again.
The only way to have an OS install be minimal is to choose a Linux, a distro will likely give you lots of things you may not want still (i.e. games, the office suite) but at least you can uninstall those all quickly.
Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron
#43Phew. After being a Windows user for literally almost two decades I've happily migrated to Linux and couldn't be happier. Yep, it took some time to prepare but let's be frank, developers already use quite a lot of Linux/Unix tools already so why not cut the middleman and just work directly with what we need most?
how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…
htop is a good task manager. At least for me.
Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron
#44Phew. After being a Windows user for literally almost two decades I've happily migrated to Linux and couldn't be happier. Yep, it took some time to prepare but let's be frank, developers already use quite a lot of Linux/Unix tools already so why not cut the middleman and just work directly with what we need most?
how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…
I never have the problem of everything hanging except on an old laptop with only 4gb memory, in OOM conditions. If a program hangs I can just use the KDE task manager or kill -9 to make it compliant
Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron
#45Phew. After being a Windows user for literally almost two decades I've happily migrated to Linux and couldn't be happier. Yep, it took some time to prepare but let's be frank, developers already use quite a lot of Linux/Unix tools already so why not cut the middleman and just work directly with what we need most?
how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…
You sound like my mom when she swears she did nothing and it just stopped working. We both know she did something but we also know I will just reinstall windows for her because she really doesn't want to learn something new.
Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron
#46I had to install Windows 11 for my parents computer and it's exactly as the article describes.
On top of that you also have to run tools like O&O ShutUp10++ to shut off all telemetry settings.
It's like Windows is working against me... I just wanted an OS for my parents laptop and instead I have all this bloatware.
Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron
#47Phew. After being a Windows user for literally almost two decades I've happily migrated to Linux and couldn't be happier. Yep, it took some time to prepare but let's be frank, developers already use quite a lot of Linux/Unix tools already so why not cut the middleman and just work directly with what we need most?
how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…
I'd suggest Bottom as a TUI alternative to the in-built task managers - https://github.com/ClementTsang/bottom
It works on Windows also and in my opinion is better than the default on there too.
Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron
#48I keep seeing headlines about Microsoft adding adverts to Windows and whatnot but none of it ever appears infront of me. Is that because I'm on Windows Pro?
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what is a 'super key'?
Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron
#49It's because everyone got super happy to give their money to apple who has a similar experience in ipad etc. Want to setup apple wallet? Oh you're not backed up here's an iCloud offer in your settings menu. Etc etc. It's gross but it's sort of the norm now. Why shouldn't Microsoft do it if that's ok when apple does it?
From the article: 'Apple doesn't mandate Apple ID sign-in. Apple does put "helpful" "reminders" about setting up Apple Pay, iCloud backups, and a few other things into its setup screens, but it doesn't take your full screen over again to try to get you to opt in to things you've already said no to. There is a notification in the Settings app asking you to sign in and set a few things up if you haven't, but they're di…
Personally I find putting things in the setting screen with a red indicator to be much scarier to the average person. It doesn't say join iCloud in the heading it says "your iPad is not backed up" and uses that to scare people.
Personally I find the dislike of both to be reasonable and I don't think Microsoft's is much worse than apple.
Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron
#50Phew. After being a Windows user for literally almost two decades I've happily migrated to Linux and couldn't be happier. Yep, it took some time to prepare but let's be frank, developers already use quite a lot of Linux/Unix tools already so why not cut the middleman and just work directly with what we need most?
how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…
It definitely sounds like you just need to learn a few more basic skills to use Linux.
Also good to note: there's tons of problems uniquely with windows that I'm sure are just "computer problems" and "computer slowness" to you, and you never blame windows.