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Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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WebGPU is fairly recent and WebUSB is in the category of “why would I ever want my browser to access USB”, for me.

Both aren't supported by FF, and I can remember of other examples, that for all practical purposes make Chrome the new IE.

IE had 95% market share at some point and was closed source.

Chrome is open source and on mobile in the US is close to 50%.

There are similarities, but it’s far from the same situation.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Must join the choir and say that eventhough I have been a die hard FF fan, its gotten to the point of an impending divorce if performance doesn’t get better. I find myself switching to chromium more and more often. And then there are the extensions, that I sometimes can’t find for Firefox. That’s a minor annoyance than anything else though. There are also a bunch of things that keeps me with FF. multi container tabs…

Firefox has been faster than Chrome for many years now.

I don’t think that’s true for devtools. I use FF devtools ever day, and it frequently crashes. Even the view source page has horrible performance issues when using cmd+f.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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That is not true, two harmful environments does not make either one a saviour, they are simply making web development worse.

Sorry to break it to you, without Apple, Google would have won already. Doesn't matter how good or evil they happen to be. No one cares about Firefox, apparently not even the large majority of HN folks.

Even if the enemy of my enemy is my friend, it doesn't need to be my best friend.

Apple is as bad for the web as Google. They refuse to allow other engines on their mobile, money-making OS.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Try to use WebUSB or WebGPU on Firefox.

WebGPU is fairly recent and WebUSB is in the category of “why would I ever want my browser to access USB”, for me.

> why would I ever want my browser to access USB

With ESPHome[1] I could edit, compile and up upload firmware to my ESP device directly in my browser without installing any tools.

I had planned on using VSCode, but I got some extension conflicts due to some other extension (Platform.io IIRC).

I had the similar reaction when first reading about WebUSB as you, but after seeing how smooth it was, I admit I thought it was pretty darn neat. It drastically lowers the barrier of entry for those who aren't that technical.

[1]: https://esphome.io/

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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You may need --no-remote and/or -P

--no-remote seems to have no effect -P asks me to select a profile. That's not what I want. I simply want a new Firefox window.

You may need to combine them like "Firefox --no-remote -P myotherprofile

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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We need less API/standard, not more. To have more competition in web devtools, we need to simplify the web standard so more browser can appear instead of forcing some new fancy API on our almost monopoly.

I don't see how that makes sense. Writing an API is less work than writing the devtools (which needs some kind of API anyway internally). So without a universal API, any serious new browser would take more effort to build.

> Writing an API is less work than writing the devtools

aka How to tell that you don't design APIs without telling that you don't design APIs.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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--no-remote seems to have no effect -P asks me to select a profile. That's not what I want. I simply want a new Firefox window.

You may need to combine them like "Firefox --no-remote -P myotherprofile

I don't have (nor want) another profile.

I just want Firefox to launch a new window. No matter if there already are Firefox windows active or not.

Chromium has no problem doing so. So that is the reason I use Chromium and not Firefox.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Whatever. I just keep using Firefox on Linux, Windows and MacOS for browsing the web and development. Haven't noticed any impediments with the latter. Actually, as alluded in another comment here, I recently learned to modify requests inside FF so I didn't need to start Postman for just a simple test.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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There’s no way to simplify web standards without breaking existing websites.

Websites should be built based on widely accepted standards, not quirks or monoculture 'standards'. When there were legally enforced browser ballots they had to ... and they did.

When I say “web standards”, I mean official W3C standards, and I think we should be actively hostile to corporate attempts to take over that process.

But I disagree that we shouldn’t also try to accommodate quirks. That’s why we have `Array.flat` instead of `Array.flatten` — the standards body decided to come up with a slightly atypical name for the feature rather than breaking a bunch of websites.[1] Our collective history is too valuable for us to be breaking stuff just to make engineers’ lives easier.

[1] https://developer.chrome.com/blog/smooshgate/

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