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Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Are you comfortable handing Google the power to dictate the future of the Internet?

It's the customers handing power to google, not the devs.

Depends, many devs are too keen in using only Chrome and shipping desktop applications packaged in a Chrome shell, because "writing portable code is soooo hard.".

Many of whom only care about Safari, because contrary to Firefox, Apple gets to say Chrome doesn't own their platforms.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Browsers are so similar these days, web standards are so well defined, I see little reason to code Chrome-only sites. Having been through the IEs of the 90s/00s, I feel proud that we managed to scape what seemed an irreversible fate and a sense of responsibility to do whatever I can to help prevent it from happening again.

Try to use WebUSB or WebGPU on Firefox.

I’m not sure about WebGPU, but WebUSB was pushed through by Google without any regard at all for Mozilla’s and Apple’s concerns, so it’s not too surprising it’s a Chrome exclusive.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Why isn't there an API for writing devtools, so that we can have some more competition in this space?

We need less API/standard, not more.

To have more competition in web devtools, we need to simplify the web standard so more browser can appear instead of forcing some new fancy API on our almost monopoly.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Try to use WebUSB or WebGPU on Firefox.

I’m not sure about WebGPU, but WebUSB was pushed through by Google without any regard at all for Mozilla’s and Apple’s concerns, so it’s not too surprising it’s a Chrome exclusive.

So it isn't as well defined as the parent was making it.

Thanks to Chrome worshipping, there is no Web anymore, Apple is the only wall preventing Web developers to replace Web with ChromeOS on their CV.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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It’s both, however, developers have a disproportional amount of power to tip the balance.

Yep. The only reason why Firefox, Safari, and eventually Chrome were able topple IE is because devs started writing predominantly for those browsers. Without that push IE would’ve lived on, because users don’t switch that kind of thing unless they really have to. Devs often also have disproportionate sway over the technical choices of friends and family, which is where Firefox got much of its footing earlier on.

That's not really how I remember it. I remember everyone switching to Mozilla and Firefox because they had great features around bookmarks, themes, and extensions. Then I remember everyone switching to Chrome because it was so fast to launch.

Meanwhile, devs were still targeting IE because it was where the users were. It was totally preferable to develop for Chrome or Firefox, but I recall spending countless hours still getting that stuff to IE, because that's what customers were using.

Sure, developers helped speed along adoption, but I think the new browsers ultimately succeeded because they're better products for the customer.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Why isn't there an API for writing devtools, so that we can have some more competition in this space?

We need less API/standard, not more. To have more competition in web devtools, we need to simplify the web standard so more browser can appear instead of forcing some new fancy API on our almost monopoly.

There’s no way to simplify web standards without breaking existing websites.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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I develop, test, and debug on browsers that my users are using, and that ain't Firefox.

Of course, Firefox users may just skip your sites because they don't work in FF...

All none of them? All none users?

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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For some reason, new Firefox windows can only be launched from the same environment from which the first window has been started. Even the same user who started FF cannot launch a new window from a new shell. That constantly interferes with my workflow. Example: Say firefox has been started from the Destop already and now I want to start a new Firefox window from a root terminal: su desktopuser firefox It does not wo…

I don't mean this as a dig, but I am curious to know what your use case is for launching new browser windows from different environments is. Something along the lines of remote debugging?
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