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Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Browsers are so similar these days, web standards are so well defined, I see little reason to code Chrome-only sites. Having been through the IEs of the 90s/00s, I feel proud that we managed to scape what seemed an irreversible fate and a sense of responsibility to do whatever I can to help prevent it from happening again.

Try to use WebUSB or WebGPU on Firefox.

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Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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For some reason, new Firefox windows can only be launched from the same environment from which the first window has been started. Even the same user who started FF cannot launch a new window from a new shell. That constantly interferes with my workflow. Example: Say firefox has been started from the Destop already and now I want to start a new Firefox window from a root terminal: su desktopuser firefox It does not wo…

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Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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I think that would mess up your user profile if two instances tried to handle it at the same time. Depending on your use case Docker may be a solution.

I don't want "two instances". I just want to trigger Firefox to open a new window. Just like it does when I press CTRL+n.

Ah, I see now. Try: Try sudo -i -u $user firefox or sudo -E -u $user firefox ?

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Are you comfortable handing Google the power to dictate the future of the Internet?

The Firefox foundation is the one who ceded power through poor decisions. Devs don't get to decide what users browse on. All users use chrome today and that's it.

Firefox had no choice in the matter of Chrome's dominance. Google controls the biggest web properties and has the most money to spend advertising and bundling it. Anti-trust has had no teeth in decades. The web was theirs for the taking.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Must join the choir and say that eventhough I have been a die hard FF fan, its gotten to the point of an impending divorce if performance doesn’t get better. I find myself switching to chromium more and more often. And then there are the extensions, that I sometimes can’t find for Firefox. That’s a minor annoyance than anything else though. There are also a bunch of things that keeps me with FF. multi container tabs…

Firefox has been faster than Chrome for many years now.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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So it isn't as well defined as the parent was making it. Thanks to Chrome worshipping, there is no Web anymore, Apple is the only wall preventing Web developers to replace Web with ChromeOS on their CV.

That is not true, two harmful environments does not make either one a saviour, they are simply making web development worse.

Sorry to break it to you, without Apple, Google would have won already.

Doesn't matter how good or evil they happen to be.

No one cares about Firefox, apparently not even the large majority of HN folks.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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That's not really how I remember it. I remember everyone switching to Mozilla and Firefox because they had great features around bookmarks, themes, and extensions. Then I remember everyone switching to Chrome because it was so fast to launch. Meanwhile, devs were still targeting IE because it was where the users were. It was totally preferable to develop for Chrome or Firefox, but I recall spending countless hours st…

Firefox was a better product because it was faster, had tabs, etc and it generally rendered pages as expected. That, in a large part, was on web developers, making sure the user who took the leap had a good time on arrival.

We can see a common sentiment by developers on this thread that they mostly test on Chrome, because that's where users are. I don't think it's likely many developers put in the effort for making the experience of using Firefox better when Firefox had such few users.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Try to use WebUSB or WebGPU on Firefox.

WebGPU is fairly recent and WebUSB is in the category of “why would I ever want my browser to access USB”, for me.

Both aren't supported by FF, and I can remember of other examples, that for all practical purposes make Chrome the new IE.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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Why isn't there an API for writing devtools, so that we can have some more competition in this space?

We need less API/standard, not more. To have more competition in web devtools, we need to simplify the web standard so more browser can appear instead of forcing some new fancy API on our almost monopoly.

I don't see how that makes sense. Writing an API is less work than writing the devtools (which needs some kind of API anyway internally). So without a universal API, any serious new browser would take more effort to build.

Re: Why do people seem to prefer Chrome's devtools over Firefox's?

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For some reason, new Firefox windows can only be launched from the same environment from which the first window has been started. Even the same user who started FF cannot launch a new window from a new shell. That constantly interferes with my workflow. Example: Say firefox has been started from the Destop already and now I want to start a new Firefox window from a root terminal: su desktopuser firefox It does not wo…

You may need --no-remote and/or -P
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