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Executive Function Theft

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Re: Executive Function Theft

#161
In the workplace Slack is basically the application designed for EFT.

Senior engineers deal with EFT a lot in mid/junior and even some seemingly seniors who just absolutely abdicate responsibility for anything that is not interesting.

A common example - asking for help debugging by basically just saying "it doesn't work", requiring you to interrogate them with 10 questions before you get to the what/where/why/when/how of "it" and "doesn't work" to actually begin helping them. Helping them causes you more work than necessary because they can't be bothered to write up a decent 2 sentence explanation up front.

Another example - always doing half (at best) of the task, arguably leaving things in a worse state. In a data engineering context, things like making a change in some mappings in your data loader, but only fixing it on new data, leaving old data in a broken state. So now downstream users of the dataset need to be aware of the old bad mapping, the new good mapping, and either the date of cutover/handle both cases. They saved themselves some work, but caused everyone else more work.

The last class I would mention would be coworkers who are basically "prototype devs". Guys, (its always guys) who are fairly creative and fast moving, delivering interesting IDEAS that they are incapable of productionising. These guys are incredibly dangerous to the team if not managed well, as they get ahead of their skis offering products to management that they can't get past the toy stage. The rest of the team is left to write the other 90% of the code, or usually do a full rewrite. As it turns out the toy always takes 1/10th the time of the real solution, and so they have plenty of time to run off and build more toys.

I'd also describe EFT as leaving you feeling like you've lost agency and control of your day.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#162
There's something not mentioned in the article in either the household or healthcare examples that I kept hoping the author would mention and use to wrap up.

In my head I call it high impedance relationship/work it's jumbled together in my head just like impedance is reactive and resistive. Your circuit can work just fine but a high impedance is more sensitive to external factors (external stress) than a low impedance device. Even just the act of monitoring it with an oscilloscope can affect the signal or voltage.

You fix this, not by driving more power (mental energy, more chores whatever) but by balancing the inputs and outputs (grossly oversimplifying here)

If you want to do work a certain way and your partner or coworker can only accept work that looks like theirs then that's a related but separate problem. You decide your partner is overworked at home so suggest hiring a house cleaner, they protest that it would cost too much and "we can do it ourselves if you would just chip in" or let's get rid of our picture books because we have no room on our bookshelves and our kids are all teenagers but "I want to save them for the grandchildren" or

I'll cook breakfast every morning but "then we have to wake up early and eat at 7:00 a.m. instead of wolfing down something 3 minutes before leaving."

When the other person will only accept work that looks like theirs it's really a mismatch in growth vs fixed mindset. That said, a temporary dedication to matching their work can give them space to see the other solutions and come out of the fixed mindset.

Like all hard problems, a flexible approach is better than hard and fast rules.

Re: Executive Function Theft

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post #43

> I will admit to never having been able to read Cal Newport’s Deep Work all the way through — I got too irritated — but I would point to his dismissive naming of the idea of “shallow work”, which he defines as logistical and often repetitive tasks, such as writing short emails. Newport recommends entirely stopping or poorly performing that work; I read this as encouraging readers to commit EFT against others around…

I’ve never read the book. Can you briefly summarize how the author expects shallow tasks to be dealt with, if not offloaded to another person?

In very brief summary:

1. A lot of shallow work doesn’t need to happen at all. It’s not about offloading it, it’s about stopping altogether, or automating it.

2. When this isn’t possible, structure your workday to preserve uninterrupted blocks of deep work. Do the shallow tasks mindfully in batches, instead of letting them constantly steal your attention throughout the day.

3. Use tools like your calendar to schedule shallow and deep periods of work.

A big part of the book is focused on defining the problems that constant interruptions cause so as to deepen the motivation to actually institute habit changes.

He was also ahead of the curve encouraging people to step away from social media in favor of local interactions.

I personally read the book as a person who is probably the poster child for being a “victim” of “EFT”. I was in a role where my attention was constantly demanded/stolen, and I needed to find strategies to make the best of the situation. At no point was this exploration about offloading things to other people.

It’s a good book, and I highly recommend that people read it. Now more than ever.

It’s also worth noting that his next books were “Digital Minimalism” and “A world without email”. He focuses on the theme of technology and information overload. Issues that I think many people are starting to realize are a real problem in their lives.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#164

I find it funny that the author suggests that husbands have more time for hobbies and friends; I don't know about hobbies but male friendship has been in decline for a long time now... The EFT framing is a good model but the gendered arguments need much more nuance than is offered in this piece. I also wonder how much the higher standards plays a part in this kind of thing. If person A believes tasks like vacuuming n…

"I find it funny that the author suggests that husbands have more time for hobbies and friends;"

It's not funny - it's the designed outcome. The studies are generally biased from the start to exclude stereotypical men's work. From the Michigan study:

"Excluded from these “core” housework hours were tasks like gardening, home repairs, or washing the car."

Or from the article:

"Is their decision-making ability wholly captured in those tasks while the other person is getting to relax or to plan a project?"

As if planning a project isn't work and isn't composed of a whole bunch of smaller decisions.

"I also wonder how much the higher standards plays a part in this kind of thing. If person A believes tasks like vacuuming need to occur weekly, and person B believes they need to occur bi-weekly..."

This is huge in my experience. One factor is stuff like OCD or expectations of how that person was raised. The other overlooked one is "ownership" or responsibility. It was a point of pride to maintain the home and recieve compliments on or (or maintain the lawn/car/etc). Now it seems it's all about the biggest paycheck or most prestigious job.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#165
in any situation where i can have others make decisions for me, i encourage / ask them to do so

i focus on what i’m good at

it so happens to be things i like doing

and it also so happens to be things that the market finds valuable

with roommates i find solutions like hiring cleaning staff, for some though it’s the principal of who does the work and you can’t swap the work out

those differences are the things that tear people apart

but that’s just part of life

sometimes someone has to change or accept something if neither can then pain ensues

Re: Executive Function Theft

#166
post #43

> I will admit to never having been able to read Cal Newport’s Deep Work all the way through — I got too irritated — but I would point to his dismissive naming of the idea of “shallow work”, which he defines as logistical and often repetitive tasks, such as writing short emails. Newport recommends entirely stopping or poorly performing that work; I read this as encouraging readers to commit EFT against others around…

Dumping shallow work onto other people is not only legit but often necessary. It's just economics 101. Before computer was invented, "computers" were people who did the ultimate shallow work - computing - so the mathematicians could actually do math. Inventing shallow work, however, is the root of evil.

I don’t necessarily disagree, but I do think there’s a case to be made that such dumping needs to happen more mindfully than it has in the past, and/or in some cases isn’t dumping at all, but just a division of roles/responsibilities (which I think is what you’re getting at).

But in any case, this is not what the book is about.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#167

I find it funny that the author suggests that husbands have more time for hobbies and friends; I don't know about hobbies but male friendship has been in decline for a long time now... The EFT framing is a good model but the gendered arguments need much more nuance than is offered in this piece. I also wonder how much the higher standards plays a part in this kind of thing. If person A believes tasks like vacuuming n…

> I find it funny that the author suggests that husbands have more time for hobbies and friends;

I remember handing my father in law an article detailing "tasks women do that are invisible to men".

His reply: "It says here that I'm a woman."

I've found that it's less about who is more burdened, but how the burden is dealt with.

Case in point: I prefer assigning responsibilities, my SO having everyone watch over everything - we're not the only household where the divide lies here.

It's hard, because our respective approaches drive the other party up the wall.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#168
Article discusses some real problems, but my takeaway is: let's coin a new term "semantic theft" for the common real problem of people stretching useful words to cover their enemies with the strongest negative connotations they hope they can get away with.

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#169

"Is their decision-making ability wholly captured in those tasks while the other person is getting to relax or to plan a project?" It sounds like they think projects are fun or something. Just one more thing in a long list of other chores and projects that have to get done. Of course a large project is composed of many smaller decisions. This plus the rampant gender stereotyping and bias (no mention of stereotypical…

It does seem a bit odd. 'home repairs' could easily be more then half of all real work done in a household per annum, if they don't hire contractors, depending on the age and size of the home.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#170

I find it funny that the author suggests that husbands have more time for hobbies and friends; I don't know about hobbies but male friendship has been in decline for a long time now... The EFT framing is a good model but the gendered arguments need much more nuance than is offered in this piece. I also wonder how much the higher standards plays a part in this kind of thing. If person A believes tasks like vacuuming n…

Person B could just vacuum (assuming B wants vacuuming twice a week).
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