Project idea: host version controlled TOS copies from companies to see what changes each time.
Show HN from 10 days ago. => https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37064152 TOS Notify
+1 for www.tosnotify.com .
Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
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Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is crazy how unreasonable the world of law is. Just some days ago, I installed some game (Assassins Creed I think?) and it had 3 agreements to read, each one a kilometer long (just a figure of speech). Really? To play a game? Of course nobody reads them and just press Accept.
These are most likely not legally binding in the UK as consumer contracts and notices as a whole have to be fair (transparent, in good faith and intelligible) to consumers under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.
do you have the money to fight corpo inc. when the repo men come for your first born sons eyes?
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
I bet ChatGPT could summarize
What if one of the terms is that users may not use AI to summarize the TOS?
Then my assumption would be they would require an agreement in place prior to disclosing the actual ToS, you can't be in a situation where you breach the ToS prior to digesting them.
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd expect the set of companies with a well resourced legal department to be almost fully contained in the set of companies using outlook/office365. What else is there for corporate email?
Mine uses gmail. It works well enough.
Any company that has concerns about Office 365's ToS isn't even going to consider looking at Google services.
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#145I tried to read some of them to see what has changed. I really tried... If any lawyers from the future are reading this: It was impossible for me to see what I was agreeing to. Furthermore, I was not given a chance to not agree with these (unknown) changes.
It is crazy how unreasonable the world of law is. Just some days ago, I installed some game (Assassins Creed I think?) and it had 3 agreements to read, each one a kilometer long (just a figure of speech). Really? To play a game? Of course nobody reads them and just press Accept.
Honestly, would be a cool to track and use GPT-4 to summarize changes in terms of service agreements.
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is crazy how unreasonable the world of law is. Just some days ago, I installed some game (Assassins Creed I think?) and it had 3 agreements to read, each one a kilometer long (just a figure of speech). Really? To play a game? Of course nobody reads them and just press Accept.
These are most likely not legally binding in the UK as consumer contracts and notices as a whole have to be fair (transparent, in good faith and intelligible) to consumers under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.
The US will get there eventually. We just need to rip each other apart over public bathrooms first
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#147I tried to read some of them to see what has changed. I really tried... If any lawyers from the future are reading this: It was impossible for me to see what I was agreeing to. Furthermore, I was not given a chance to not agree with these (unknown) changes.
This is one thing I strongly wish that the EU political arm could throw all its weight as it did with GDPR: Create an insanely strong law like GDPR making businesses have simple non-lawyeresque Terms of Services.
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Part of me wishes there was a law that companies had to implement checks that their customers read and understood the agreement. Timers, making sure people had each line of text on the screen for a sufficient amount of time, and line by line video explainers. Just to expose the ridiculousness of it all.
It seems corporate training is testing this out. This there seems to be more video only, nonskippable training that make sure you spend an hour watching. For now, running them in a vm in the background works.
This is another legal ass-covering thing, because “we give our employees 3 hours of safety training” will hold up better in court than “we give our employees 5 minutes of safety training” — the actual content of the course doesn’t matter, whether employees are acting safely or not doesn’t matter, the only thing that matters is how well the company can avoid liability.
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is crazy how unreasonable the world of law is. Just some days ago, I installed some game (Assassins Creed I think?) and it had 3 agreements to read, each one a kilometer long (just a figure of speech). Really? To play a game? Of course nobody reads them and just press Accept.
These are most likely not legally binding in the UK as consumer contracts and notices as a whole have to be fair (transparent, in good faith and intelligible) to consumers under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.
They're legally binding of the "we have more lawyers than you, but a long shot" variety. :/
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#150I tried to read some of them to see what has changed. I really tried... If any lawyers from the future are reading this: It was impossible for me to see what I was agreeing to. Furthermore, I was not given a chance to not agree with these (unknown) changes.
Complexity is fraud.