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Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?

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Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?

#11

Project idea: host version controlled TOS copies from companies to see what changes each time.

VisualPing already does this: https://visualping.io/blog/how-to-monitor-changes-in-terms-a...

Docacracy did it a decade ago, but closed shop.

The problem isn’t the tech — it’s coming up with a business model that pays for the system and upkeep. As much as people give lip service about privacy, they sure don’t throw money at lobbying efforts that protect their rights in those areas.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?

#12

What parts of the ToS did they modify/add?

PayPal already has an “Updates” page for their legal agreements. It describes which agreement is updated when and when that change takes effect.

I also received the PayPal email notification, but when clicking through the link the only legal agreement change this month was a week ago and was related to how much of your user data is available to a user visiting your PayPal.me page. Highly unlikely this is a coordinated change with Meta and MSFT.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?

#15

URLs please.

Microsoft - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/upcoming.a...

Meta ToS - https://www.meta.com/legal/supplemental-terms-of-service-upd... Meta Privacy Policy - https://www.meta.com/legal/privacy-policy-updated/

PayPal - https://www.paypal.com/us/legalhub/upcoming-policies-full

The common denominator in the communication copy seems to be related to accounts belonging to minors. Microsoft mentions "If you are a parent or guardian, you are responsible for your child’s or teenager’s use of Microsoft products and services, including purchases", Meta's highlights revolve around "Parent-managed accounts", and PayPal did not provide anything meaningful about changes in the email.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?

#17

Project idea: host version controlled TOS copies from companies to see what changes each time.

If the T&Cs are at a public URL, then an alternative way is to self host changedetection.io and monitor for changes.

I run it to see changes to my competitors websites. Well that’s the idea - I don’t actually monitor it LOL. I just have it running in Docker.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?

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post #16

Project idea: host version controlled TOS copies from companies to see what changes each time.

This is related but not identical https://tosdr.org/

The fun thing with ToS is that you know every large company with a ToS (or EULA for that matter) has analytics and knows exactly how long you read that ToS (if you did at all), and is smart enough to know objectively if you read it or did not read it.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?

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post #15

URLs please.

Microsoft - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/upcoming.a... Meta ToS - https://www.meta.com/legal/supplemental-terms-of-service-upd... Meta Privacy Policy - https://www.meta.com/legal/privacy-policy-updated/ PayPal - https://www.paypal.com/us/legalhub/upcoming-policies-full The common denominator in the communication copy seems to be related to accounts belonging to minors. Microsoft mentions "If you…

This WhatsApp one might be related too, just popped up for me. I know it's Meta nowadays: https://faq.whatsapp.com/781249240131848/
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