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“Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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Re: “Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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Post by hnfong »

tomcar288 wrote: post #154
bastawhiz wrote: post #92

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I'm gonna go ahead and say that if something is bad enough to kill someone who is somewhat weakened, that doesn't make it fine for folks who aren't weakened. This is an extreme diet and even if it doesn't kill you, it's ridiculous to think it will do you no harm. If you're at risk of death from taking antibiotics because you only eat fruit, the problem isn't the antibiotics.

only eating fruit is not an extreme diet at all, especially if you're consuming the right number of calories. what makes you think it's extreme?

Sugar especially fructose in high amounts isn't great for the body.

Modern fruit has been genetically engineered (via selective breeding or other means) to be much more sweet than their wild counterparts, and hence contains much more sugar.

Surviving on wild fruit is probably not really that pleasant since most of them don't really taste that great.

PS: generally fruit have little protein, so you might also want to find some extra sources of protein too.

Re: “Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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Post by hnfong »

chihuahua wrote: post #157
uslic001 wrote: post #136

As a gastroenterologist I see so many gastrointestinal issues caused by smoothies. They also cause a lot of weight gain as they are usually high in calories. Just eat your fruits and vegetables.

This is very interesting. It's also refreshing to hear about food and nutrition from someone who has observed the effects in practice. Other than the calories, what's the problem with smoothies?

(I have no medical background)

Another problem with smoothies is that they are blended, which speeds up absorption and causes blood sugar to spike. That forces your body to increase production of insulin, and spiky insulin increases the risk of blood sugar issues.

If you just eat the fruits and veggies normally, the digestive system has a couple more hours to slowly absorb the calories and nutrients, helps smoothen things out a bit.

And if you have to chew and eat the food, you probably end up consuming less of it.

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Post by twistedanimator »

hackerlight wrote: post #21
hombre_fatal wrote: post #18

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Because of a case study of one woman who did a fad cleanse and had predisposers like a gastric bypass and prolonged antibiotic therapy?

Hmm? Oxalates causing less severe damage (kidney stones) is more common than just one woman. If you are a vegan you know you need to go easy on things like raw spinach and almonds.

Do you not have to worry about oxalates from raw spinach and almonds if you're not vegan? What protects you from kidney stones in animal foods?

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Post by [deleted] »

emodendroket wrote: post #159
crazygringo wrote: post #156

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Yeah I guess that's what mystifies me about it so much. Volume does nothing for me. Like if I'm on a diet of 1,200 cal/day to lose weight, eating bulky foods does nothing to make me any less miserable, compared to if I stick to dense protein/fats/carbs. The sensation (and distraction) of hunger remains identical.

1,200 calories per day is an exceptionally restrictive diet in any case. I think it might be more obvious the difference if you were just eating till you felt full and tried swapping around different foods (though there is plenty of historical record of people resorting to nonfood items of no nutritional value just to fill their stomachs if hungry enough).

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zer8k wrote: post #94
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #89

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The thing to me that is so ironic about juicing is that most people who are super into things like juicing and "juice cleanses" (whatever the hell that means) are totally against "processed" foods. I'm like "What do you think a juicer is??" You just took that natural plant that's loaded with healthy fiber, removed all the fiber and concentrated it so it's mostly sugar and water. If you process it at home it's still p…

This is arguing semantics really. When people say "processed" they don't mean run through a blender, or mashed in a bowl, etc. They mean food that is processed industrially with a bunch of (usually unnecessary) chemicals added to stabilize or enrich the food. Oreos are a processed food. Cake you make at home from whole ingredients is not processed. You are correct technically (the best kind of correct) but in every d…

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Post by faeriechangling »

Tcepsa wrote: post #114
maxerickson wrote: post #108

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Yeah, vegetable oil and corn syrup are common ingredients in home baking. So are artificial flavors (for example artificial vanilla). Soy lecithin isn't, but it isn't a significant nutritional component or particularly questionable (it's a vegetable extract used as an emulsifier).

I mostly do cookies, quick breads, and cakes, but I don't think I've ever used corn syrup in my baking (not even for frosting) and definitely not high fructose corn syrup! Your other points seem sound, and are things that I would not be surprised to find in homemade cake (except maybe the lecithin; what use does a cake have for an emulsifier?)

Corn Syrup, while I hate the ingredient, is EXTREMELY common in home baking especially if you want to do confectionaries.

Re: “Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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Post by skinner927 »

tegmark wrote: post #148
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #10

This sounds like a Chubbyemu video premise. (It's an excellent YouTube channel that posts semi-dramatised medical educational videos, usually following a fictionalised patient presenting to ER after ingestion of some substance, with an explanation of how that substance causes problems in the body and how a medical team might try to address it.) Actually, there has been more than one video about oxalate nephropathy al…

im finally doing it. there is this thing where people recommend a youtube channel and laboriously explain what its about and 99.99% of the time its a channel that is insanely famous and known by everyone, requiring no recommendation or explanation. doing this has a negative association because it indicates everyone is oblivious to the world, to the fact that what you watch on youtube is not special.

https://xkcd.com/1053/

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Post by turtleyacht »

selimthegrim wrote: post #95
nullc wrote: post #56

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Jobs had an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor, a rare type of pancreatic cancer. He decided to delay surgical treatment in favor of dietary treatment presumably because at the time there was little evidence for the effectiveness of surgical treatment (and obviously plenty of risk connected to it). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4924574/

This gets mentioned in the angriest (rightly so) obituary-cum-book review I have ever seen written about anyone ever. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUK144083343120120222 (the biopsy line was originally after the quote from the wife abut not opening his body yet)

Thank-you for that.

> a policy prohibiting employees from talking to one another about any topic about which both parties have not yet been officially "disclosed"--Distortionspeak for "cleared to discuss"--by a higher authority.

The most modern of which I've seen so far is Conjecture's infohazard policy:

https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/Gs29k3beHiqWFZqnn/conje...

I can't find the HN submission anymore.

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Post by matt-attack »

tegmark wrote: post #148
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #10

This sounds like a Chubbyemu video premise. (It's an excellent YouTube channel that posts semi-dramatised medical educational videos, usually following a fictionalised patient presenting to ER after ingestion of some substance, with an explanation of how that substance causes problems in the body and how a medical team might try to address it.) Actually, there has been more than one video about oxalate nephropathy al…

im finally doing it. there is this thing where people recommend a youtube channel and laboriously explain what its about and 99.99% of the time its a channel that is insanely famous and known by everyone, requiring no recommendation or explanation. doing this has a negative association because it indicates everyone is oblivious to the world, to the fact that what you watch on youtube is not special.

I had never heard of the channel and was thrilled to learn about it. FWIW.

Re: “Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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Post by tegmark »

matt-attack wrote: post #169
tegmark wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

im finally doing it. there is this thing where people recommend a youtube channel and laboriously explain what its about and 99.99% of the time its a channel that is insanely famous and known by everyone, requiring no recommendation or explanation. doing this has a negative association because it indicates everyone is oblivious to the world, to the fact that what you watch on youtube is not special.

I had never heard of the channel and was thrilled to learn about it. FWIW.

you live under a rock. the vast majority of people on this website share my experience
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