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“Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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Post by lm28469 »

maxerickson wrote: post #100
zer8k wrote: post #94

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This is arguing semantics really. When people say "processed" they don't mean run through a blender, or mashed in a bowl, etc. They mean food that is processed industrially with a bunch of (usually unnecessary) chemicals added to stabilize or enrich the food. Oreos are a processed food. Cake you make at home from whole ingredients is not processed. You are correct technically (the best kind of correct) but in every d…

Which ingredient in Oreos make them different than a home made cake? https://www.mondelezinternationalfoodservice.com/Product/Pro... Like the flour you use to make a cake has been altered from its whole state more than a little bit. So has the sugar. And of course, both ingredients are used in Oreos, for roughly the same reasons you'd use them at home. I suppose most people don't cook with palm oil and soy lecithin.

Oreos aren't bad because they're processed, they're bad because they're 40% sugar

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Post by XTHK »

Modified3019 wrote: post #117
latchkey wrote: post #68

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I'm no expert in the matter, but this seems to contradict what you're saying in terms of effects from too much of it: https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/no-need-to...

So before I start, I just want to say that I have no intention of trying to properly argue some kind of complete and rigorous position and have this turn into yet another discussion where people throw sources around and nothing gets accomplished. Sometimes that's fun, but that takes a lot of time and effort, neither of which I have the luxury or desire of burning right now. Basically this is ultimately a drive by com…

I would just like to state that you have filled my brain for the day. Thank you.

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Post by tomcar288 »

bastawhiz wrote: post #92
tomcar288 wrote: post #67

The article says this may only be an issue for those: "susceptible individuals with risk factors such as chronic kidney disease, gastric bypass, and antibiotic use."

I'm gonna go ahead and say that if something is bad enough to kill someone who is somewhat weakened, that doesn't make it fine for folks who aren't weakened. This is an extreme diet and even if it doesn't kill you, it's ridiculous to think it will do you no harm. If you're at risk of death from taking antibiotics because you only eat fruit, the problem isn't the antibiotics.

only eating fruit is not an extreme diet at all, especially if you're consuming the right number of calories. what makes you think it's extreme?

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Post by tomcar288 »

lamontcg wrote: post #91
tomcar288 wrote: post #65

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i know exactly what you mean. I can eat like 4 LBS of cucumbers in one sitting and still feel like I could eat a pizza afterwards. when you consume super low calorie foods like cucs and tomatoes, zuchinni, the body actually keeps on counting the calories with incredible accuracy and adjusts your hunger/appetite accordingly. But, I'll say, it does help a little bit and you do get a bit of discount by going with low ca…

You actually need fats to poke the satiety receptors.

fats don't all do that well on satiety studies. just look at the holz studies. most of the satieting things didn't have much fats in them: potatoes, apples and oranges.

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Post by crazygringo »

emodendroket wrote: post #150
crazygringo wrote: post #139

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Grapefruits aren't a good comparison, since Google says a grapefruit has 104 calories. But if we compare a 150 calorie bag of doritos with 5 large tomatoes (each one being 33 calories), that feels about comparable in terms of satiating me in terms of giving me a break from hunger for maybe 45 minutes. On the other hand, just large tomatoes does absolutely nothing for hunger. Which is the indication for me that volume…

My mistake. I got misled by the “serving size” of half a grapefruit (who just eats half?). But volume mattering is pretty well attested and most people have experience with it. Why wouldn’t it? You physically can only fit so much food inside your stomach before it is uncomfortable to continue, no matter the caloric content.

Yeah I guess that's what mystifies me about it so much. Volume does nothing for me.

Like if I'm on a diet of 1,200 cal/day to lose weight, eating bulky foods does nothing to make me any less miserable, compared to if I stick to dense protein/fats/carbs. The sensation (and distraction) of hunger remains identical.

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Post by chihuahua »

uslic001 wrote: post #136

As a gastroenterologist I see so many gastrointestinal issues caused by smoothies. They also cause a lot of weight gain as they are usually high in calories. Just eat your fruits and vegetables.

This is very interesting. It's also refreshing to hear about food and nutrition from someone who has observed the effects in practice.

Other than the calories, what's the problem with smoothies?

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Post by maxerickson »

buescher wrote: post #149
binary132 wrote: post #131

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I’ve used high-fructose corn syrup in making marshmallows, it’s just corn sugar

Grocery store corn syrup you might use for baking is just corn syrup, not high-fructose corn syrup.

Corn syrup is made by converting starches to glucose. HFCS is made by converting some of that glucose to fructose.

There might be some significant nutritional impact from that, but it's more or less a similar process to make it (with an additional reaction to convert some of the glucose to fructose).

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Post by emodendroket »

crazygringo wrote: post #156
emodendroket wrote: post #150

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My mistake. I got misled by the “serving size” of half a grapefruit (who just eats half?). But volume mattering is pretty well attested and most people have experience with it. Why wouldn’t it? You physically can only fit so much food inside your stomach before it is uncomfortable to continue, no matter the caloric content.

Yeah I guess that's what mystifies me about it so much. Volume does nothing for me. Like if I'm on a diet of 1,200 cal/day to lose weight, eating bulky foods does nothing to make me any less miserable, compared to if I stick to dense protein/fats/carbs. The sensation (and distraction) of hunger remains identical.

1,200 calories per day is an exceptionally restrictive diet in any case. I think it might be more obvious the difference if you were just eating till you felt full and tried swapping around different foods (though there is plenty of historical record of people resorting to nonfood items of no nutritional value just to fill their stomachs if hungry enough).

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Post by ceedan »

fsckboy wrote: post #86
ceedan wrote: post #30

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Even though the toxins myth is incorrect, drinking lots of water after is a good idea. A deep tissue massage can cause mild rhabdomyolysis, which is where broken down cells (from the massage) get dumped into the blood. Water will help dilute urine while this occurs. Many massage therapists probably do think that there are harmful toxins get released, though.

are you saying that healthy cells are broken down by the massage, or that the massage eliminates already broken down cells?

Healthy cells are physically broken down from the massage.

I first learned about this when I got fairly sick a few hours after a deep tissue massage. I felt pretty horrible for a few days.

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