Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't need to keep someone's plaintext password in the database to compare. Just re-calculate hashes against historical hashes at new password time. If the hashing process is secure keeping a few old hashes isn't really a security concern, especially if people are actually using unique passwords. Now, normally this is tied to an automatic password rotation policy, because allowing a previous password completely u…
I have seen sites that complain if your password is too similar to a previous password, and that shouldn't be possible with hashes. So who knows of the sites that look for exact matches are looking at the hashes or not.
Short session expiration does not help security
301–310 of 434 posts
Re: Short session expiration does not help security
#302> Perhaps you used the shared computer in the library to access your web application, and forgot to log out. > Is this a thing? Are shared computers without user separation a thing? If so, these shouldn’t be used to access web applications with sensitive information at all. Yes, it is a thing. I understand you would like it to not be a thing.
Re: Short session expiration does not help security
#303The main place I see short session expirations is on banking and financial apps, which seems defensible to me for a couple of reasons: 1) They're used by a wide variety of people, including people who may not own a computer or mobile device, or who may not have a backup device to use when their personal device breaks. This group is probably shrinking—more and more people have smartphones and the remaining people who…
My main bank uses username + password + (random subset of ‘memorable word but actually unencrypted password’ driven by select boxes), then 2FA on top, and it literally feels like they just slapped a bunch of things together to add extra barriers to auth in sequence. This is the UK. Back in Latvia I would just slide my ID card into a USB reader and cryptographically sign the session with a passcode. Same as chip & pin…
It seems literally infeasible for the United States to have state-issued PKI. It’s a meta-partisan issue: no side trusts the other to manage crypto or computer systems.
So for example instead of a public many-to-many digital publishing platform we are stuck with the whims of grown men who want to fist fight each other in the Colosseum and all because every X is convinced every Y is so despicable and corrupt that such a public system would be much worse than what we have now.
Re: Short session expiration does not help security
#30415 min logout on a bank site isn’t even enough time to read a full statement pdf.
Re: Short session expiration does not help security
#305"Thank got we set the session timeout to 5 minutes, or we would have been compromised" - no one ever. I am in the 10-hour session timeout camp (or at least 4h, so you only have to authenticate twice a day). Session timeout checks are same sort of checkbox tests auditors (and pentesters) like, like password policy where you have to change it every 90 days. And about as effective. What's missing in the article is the d…
It really depends. I would certainly comment less often on HN if it logged me out at 4 hours. For my online banking it's okay if they kick me out after 15-30 min.
Re: Short session expiration does not help security
#306This is total bullshit. Stolen sessions are being actively sold on Darknet in bulk. If nothing else the best thing that can happen is that they have expired before someone have the time to exploit them.
Re: Short session expiration does not help security
#307The main place I see short session expirations is on banking and financial apps, which seems defensible to me for a couple of reasons: 1) They're used by a wide variety of people, including people who may not own a computer or mobile device, or who may not have a backup device to use when their personal device breaks. This group is probably shrinking—more and more people have smartphones and the remaining people who…
My main bank uses username + password + (random subset of ‘memorable word but actually unencrypted password’ driven by select boxes), then 2FA on top, and it literally feels like they just slapped a bunch of things together to add extra barriers to auth in sequence. This is the UK. Back in Latvia I would just slide my ID card into a USB reader and cryptographically sign the session with a passcode. Same as chip & pin…
It’s an absolute joke.
Re: Short session expiration does not help security
#308Re: Short session expiration does not help security
#309The main place I see short session expirations is on banking and financial apps, which seems defensible to me for a couple of reasons: 1) They're used by a wide variety of people, including people who may not own a computer or mobile device, or who may not have a backup device to use when their personal device breaks. This group is probably shrinking—more and more people have smartphones and the remaining people who…