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20 something years of using Linux and I have never had the urge to even look at Suse. who's life is affected by this?

Everybody who uses gcc, because Suse maintains it. KDE Plasma also, but this userbase is not that large

That is, ahem, a peculiar view. https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=blob_plain;f=MAINTAINER...

Yes there are many people from Suse, but not predominantly so, let alone "maintained by".

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I used to run SUSE about 20 years ago and have always thought it was cool but haven't kept up with it much since then. What are some of the things they do that make them unparalleled?

Open Build System and OpenQA, for automated building and testing of packages. This is what gets updates to their rolling release Tumbleweed faster than Arch, but with no instability ever. I can't emphasize enough how rock solid Tumbleweed is. OBS also doubles as their own AUR equivalent - you can make your own repo and do your own builds and install from the command line, or browse and install what other people have…

> but with no instability ever

Uh, I've been using Tumbleweed on two machines for about seven years now, and I've experienced multiple cases of MATE just not working after an upgrade. It's not that big a deal, though, as you point out, because of snapper.

That said, I'm still using Tumbleweed on both machines, and I'm very happy with it. Even the nVidia situation is acceptable now that they offer a repo with the official drivers.

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Snapper creates a Btrfs snapshot before any change in the root filesystem. If something breaks, you choose an older snapshot to boot from via grub.

I have to say, openSUSE introduced me to btrfs and while it isn't something i use often, when i do need the snapshot functionality it provides it is such a great feature.

The automatic snapshots saved me quite a lot to time on 2 occasions, where borked updates of the nVidia drivers resulted in problems booting the computer. On one hand, this should never happen. On the other, as long as nVidia does not improve, and nothing is going to force them, it is great to have such a safety net. It gets out of the way 99% of the time, but it is there when you need it, it’s great.

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Love it! Personally i dont think the public offering has done them any good. They are unparalleled in the kubernetes space and im expecting much more awesome things to come. (and no, i dont simply mean clicky bunty rancher) By now i am suggesting Suse products to all my clients with the guarantee that even if i get hit with a bus and will not return, there will always(!) be someone to support their software. They are…

Yes, we've been using MicroOS for years and never had any problems with it. It makes managing a k8s cluster on premise so easy

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> faster than Arch that's a thing I haven't heard in a long time

Even Fedora tends to update packages faster than Arch

I only tried debian based distros on the side, arch being so quick I never thought others did match or go above. Interesting.

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Interesting; if someone does this, do they have to pay a premium at all, or are they able to buy them at the exact current market rate? Also is this just for publicly traded companies or private ones as well? At least in the US, my understanding is that private companies set the "fair market value" of their shares themselves, so I'd be worried that someone could purposely set the price low to be able to buy them out…

There is redemption committee in Finland Chamber of Commerce that will assign a arbitration court to handle the redemption. They will also assign a trustee who will represent the minority shareholders. The valuation is decided during the arbitration process. From what I understand if there has been previous offer to buy it's quite likely that will be used at least as initial basis for the price. There seems to be at…

Thanks for the info! I'll take a look

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Yet another reason to move to Debian. While in many ways not comparable to what's happened with Redhat, with Suse turning to the dark side one wonders how much longer Canonical will last before doing something similar. Make no doubt about it, private equity is all about short term shareholder returns. That's not a bad things in principle but if you don't want to wake up yet again with your distro having the rug pulle…

> Suse turning to the dark side

... because they are not going to be publically traded?? In that case Debian has been on the dark side forever.

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Open Build System and OpenQA, for automated building and testing of packages. This is what gets updates to their rolling release Tumbleweed faster than Arch, but with no instability ever. I can't emphasize enough how rock solid Tumbleweed is. OBS also doubles as their own AUR equivalent - you can make your own repo and do your own builds and install from the command line, or browse and install what other people have…

All these are nice features but until I see suse wiki pages in google search results along side the ones I see from arch, it's just easier to stay on arch. > Open Build System and OpenQA, for automated building and testing of packages. This is what gets updates to their rolling release Tumbleweed faster than Arch, but with no instability ever. Arch also has "no instability ever". And I don't think I've ever run into…

> Arch also has "no instability ever".

Lolwat. I've tried it in earnest several times over the years on basic thinkpads (once on my only development machine, in which my only customizations were basically installing intellij ides and docker) and I would never ever, call it stable. I mean, if someone were to ask me for a picture of instability for a dictionary and they asked me to choose between Arch Linux and Windows Me logos... I'm not sure which I would choose.

To be fair though, I haven't tried it in 3 years since it last bit me. On the other hand I've had fedora running on one machine for like 7 years straight.

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There are new snapshots at least once a week. While there are large updates every once in a while, those are usually due to gcc or glibc upgrades which require a rebuild of most packages -- which doesn't happen every month. If you actually have upgrades of every single package every month, you should open a bug report to figure out what is going on -- that is absolutely not normal. On my machine I usually see 10-30 p…

Great, thanx for telling. I'll stick to Leap. Update fatigue. We're using it on servers and I'm looking for something to replace Ubuntu on the desktop. I've grown tired of the usual Ubuntu antics like snaps, ads in apt update and the convoluted /etc config hierarchy inherited from Deban. SuSE is structured way more logically and makes more sense even if it's a rpm distribution. I don't want to use a rolling distro at…

You can always run Debian testing on desktop. I'm running the same installation more than a decade now. It's not "bleeding edge", but recent enough. Things slow down during freezes a bit, but it's a rolling distro at the end of the day.

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In Finland if someone controls over 90% of the shares they have right to forcefully buy rest of the shares (and also obligation if someone wants to sell at at that point). So if they wanted to go fully own the company they need to high enough offer that they will at least hit 90%. I'm not sure if you could from public company to private without all shareholders agreeing to it as that would benefit large shareholder a…

For me in the US, it’s a strange notion that you could compel someone to buy the last 10% of the company. That does not always seem possible. What happens if you literally can’t do it? That’s probably rare, but if 90% of the company is most of your assets, and you’ve somehow borrowed against it already, it could be almost literally impossible.

You can always choose to keep your share (slightly) under 90% to prevent such rules from triggering, so I don't see a problem with them.
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