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Re: SUSE to go private

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Post by agumonkey »

COGlory wrote: post #93
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #70

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I used to run SUSE about 20 years ago and have always thought it was cool but haven't kept up with it much since then. What are some of the things they do that make them unparalleled?

Open Build System and OpenQA, for automated building and testing of packages. This is what gets updates to their rolling release Tumbleweed faster than Arch, but with no instability ever. I can't emphasize enough how rock solid Tumbleweed is. OBS also doubles as their own AUR equivalent - you can make your own repo and do your own builds and install from the command line, or browse and install what other people have…

> faster than Arch

that's a thing I haven't heard in a long time

Re: SUSE to go private

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Post by fjfuvucucuc »

COGlory wrote: post #93
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to run SUSE about 20 years ago and have always thought it was cool but haven't kept up with it much since then. What are some of the things they do that make them unparalleled?

Open Build System and OpenQA, for automated building and testing of packages. This is what gets updates to their rolling release Tumbleweed faster than Arch, but with no instability ever. I can't emphasize enough how rock solid Tumbleweed is. OBS also doubles as their own AUR equivalent - you can make your own repo and do your own builds and install from the command line, or browse and install what other people have…

All these are nice features but until I see suse wiki pages in google search results along side the ones I see from arch, it's just easier to stay on arch.

> Open Build System and OpenQA, for automated building and testing of packages. This is what gets updates to their rolling release Tumbleweed faster than Arch, but with no instability ever.

Arch also has "no instability ever". And I don't think I've ever run into a problem where I've said, "damn, I wish the latest version was out right now", other than needing to run mainline on new machines for a few months that is.

But please don't take this comment the wrong way, I'm curious and will probably spin up a VM or two to take a look around.

Re: SUSE to go private

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Post by koyote »

deaddodo wrote: post #82
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #70

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I used to run SUSE about 20 years ago and have always thought it was cool but haven't kept up with it much since then. What are some of the things they do that make them unparalleled?

I ran SUSE around the same time (2001-2002ish), because it was the only major distro (between RH and Mandrake, primarily) that would install on my archaic 128MB PII. Debian worked but my grade school brain had no capacity for setting up Xfree86 manually. I stuck to SUSE for about 1.5 years before switching to Mandrake (and, eventually, Fedora Core) on my new Athlon XP desktop. My nostalgia for them will probably alwa…

Sounds like we pretty much had the same Linux story!

I started with SuSE 7 (purchased it!), then Mandrake, then Fedora, then Ubuntu, then Arch and now reluctantly back on Xubuntu because I can't get my laptop to sleep properly on Arch...

Do you remember why you switched from SuSE? I only have vague memories but I feel like the package manager might have been a bit clunky?

Maybe I should give openSUSE another go, I really dislike Ubuntu's 'ads' and snap.

Re: SUSE to go private

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Post by buzer »

saghm wrote: post #118
buzer wrote: post #105

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In Finland if someone controls over 90% of the shares they have right to forcefully buy rest of the shares (and also obligation if someone wants to sell at at that point). So if they wanted to go fully own the company they need to high enough offer that they will at least hit 90%. I'm not sure if you could from public company to private without all shareholders agreeing to it as that would benefit large shareholder a…

Interesting; if someone does this, do they have to pay a premium at all, or are they able to buy them at the exact current market rate? Also is this just for publicly traded companies or private ones as well? At least in the US, my understanding is that private companies set the "fair market value" of their shares themselves, so I'd be worried that someone could purposely set the price low to be able to buy them out…

There is redemption committee in Finland Chamber of Commerce that will assign a arbitration court to handle the redemption. They will also assign a trustee who will represent the minority shareholders.

The valuation is decided during the arbitration process. From what I understand if there has been previous offer to buy it's quite likely that will be used at least as initial basis for the price.

There seems to be at least one English article about the process: https://insights.fondia.com/fi/en/articles/corporate-law/sha...

Re: SUSE to go private

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Post by viddi »

COGlory wrote: post #93
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to run SUSE about 20 years ago and have always thought it was cool but haven't kept up with it much since then. What are some of the things they do that make them unparalleled?

Open Build System and OpenQA, for automated building and testing of packages. This is what gets updates to their rolling release Tumbleweed faster than Arch, but with no instability ever. I can't emphasize enough how rock solid Tumbleweed is. OBS also doubles as their own AUR equivalent - you can make your own repo and do your own builds and install from the command line, or browse and install what other people have…

I have been using Tumbleweed for a few years now, but while it seems like a stable rolling release distribution, I am not quite sure about the "rolling release" part. Each month, a new snapshot comes out, which upgrades every single package you have installed, regardless of whether there were actual upstream updates. With a full Texlive installation and just a few more suites this amount to roughly 10,000 packages and over 5GB that need to be downloaded and installed each month. This a) kind of defeats the rolling-release aspect for me, b) takes a few hours, and c) feels like a cheat for the sake of stability.

Between those snapshots you might have bleeding edge updates for all the packages, but even then I do encounter package conflicts way too often. Well, on the upside, at least they are detected.

So yes, it is stable, but it comes at a price.

Apart from that, the community support felt mediocre, at least a few years ago. The most visited platform was a bulletin board forum with very little interaction. When I had trouble installing KDE, it took a few days until someone suggested the correct diagnostic tools. This is bad for being the testbed of a commercial distribution. In the end, I just installed Arch, which packaged KDE better than Tumbleweed did.

But on the other hand, maybe only if you use a distro long enough, you get to see the downsides, and each one has them.

Re: SUSE to go private

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Post by gosusego »

Opensource is getting attacked on all fronts.

SUSE becomes another risky choice.

Nothing companies control is out of limits for a bait and switch (a la Hashicorp).

Wake up folks.

Re: SUSE to go private

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Post by swozey »

I hope that SUSE saved the staff of Rancher from the previous assholes who ran the place. God that was an absolutely awful company to work for. I'm glad they started their own stupid acorn or whatever service nobody will ever use. Rancher had a lot of incredibly intelligent people who were treated like absolute shit.

Re: SUSE to go private

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Post by canpan »

sigzero wrote: post #116
canpan wrote: post #95

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So I just installed it yesterday on my new home PC. Switching from Windows after I sold my old PC. (I do like gaming sometimes). Installation worked flawlessly. Hardware was detected on the spot. I could install NVidia's official driver through YaST. Installing Steam from the package manager. Now I am sitting with a switch pro controller and playing Hogwarts Legacy. All around a solid experience. Their biggest compet…

Did you go with Leap or Tumbleweed?

I choose Tumbleweed. Reason being that I do gaming and often you need the latest package of something to be able to. Although, I do not have any experience with Leap so maybe it is good as well? I do back up my own files, so there is not much danger in it for me. For a very stable distro experience at work, I use debian (stable). But it lags a few years behind, so is no good for games.
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