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“Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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Re: “Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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The "cleanse" notion is batty. A functioning urinary and excretory system is all the "cleanse" one needs.

A constrained diet can be a useful tool in identifying which foods cause inflammation and other issues. I now live on a subset of the food groups based on a few dozen such N=1 cleanse experiments, with much improved health.

Re: “Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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post #4

This is why I tell people to go easy on the spinach when they’re making smoothies.

Yeah, throwing a bunch of greens into a blender is not a great way to consume them. Boiling/steaming is the way to go. The vast majority of vegetables I personally eat are well cooked and mushy.

I used to make green smoothies all the time, even went as far to by an expensive Blentec blender. If you are following Weight Watchers you actually get penalized for blending/juicing vegetables, so I stopped. Normally these are zero point foods. Their justification makes a lot of sense to me:

https://www.weightwatchers.com/au/blog/food/why-fruit-counts...

Re: “Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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post #11

The "cleanse" notion is batty. A functioning urinary and excretory system is all the "cleanse" one needs.

A constrained diet can be a useful tool in identifying which foods cause inflammation and other issues. I now live on a subset of the food groups based on a few dozen such N=1 cleanse experiments, with much improved health.

say more?

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post #5

The "cleanse" notion is batty. A functioning urinary and excretory system is all the "cleanse" one needs.

I'm sure it makes a lot of people feel better, but almost certainly because of the cessation of whatever dietary behavior was causing them to feel bad in the first place, as opposed to eliminating some undefined "toxin."

From what I am reading, this is true for a lot of diets, what you stop eating during your diet often has a bigger impact that what the diet prescribe you to eat.

Re: “Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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In the report's keywords it mentions spinach. How much spinach is ok vs too much? Is this issue caused by consuming too much spinach or by consuming spinach in combination with specific foods found in green smoothies?

too much raw spinach, in combination with gastric bypass and prolonged antibiotic use.

The bypass probably doesn't help because you are reducing the time exposed to acid/alkali. The antibiotic also kills off any bacteria that would absorb oxalates.

Re: “Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

#17

The "cleanse" notion is batty. A functioning urinary and excretory system is all the "cleanse" one needs.

It's like the idea that getting a massage releases all the toxins in your body and you need to drink water after to flush them out. That's what they always tell me after I get one. I have to restrain laughter.

Re: “Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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post #4

This is why I tell people to go easy on the spinach when they’re making smoothies.

Because of a case study of one woman who did a fad cleanse and had predisposers like a gastric bypass and prolonged antibiotic therapy?

Re: “Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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In the report's keywords it mentions spinach. How much spinach is ok vs too much? Is this issue caused by consuming too much spinach or by consuming spinach in combination with specific foods found in green smoothies?

With oxalate nephropathy, I have an oxalate budget of 100/day - 2 oz of dark chocolate covers that.

But then, if one is concerned, citrates provide a first-line defense,e.g. 4 oz of lemmon juice, or,say, calcium or potassium citrate. That doesn't stop things, but it helps.

In your microbiome, oxalobacter formigenes is the primary defense. Lose that from, say, antibiotics or IBS, and you've got problems.

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post #14
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A constrained diet can be a useful tool in identifying which foods cause inflammation and other issues. I now live on a subset of the food groups based on a few dozen such N=1 cleanse experiments, with much improved health.

say more?

For my idiosyncratic combination of diabetes and gastroparesis the removal of carbs and fiber have been life savers. I fought hard against recognizing that though and had to prove it to myself with cleanses. But the difference was too dramatic for me to ignore.
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