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Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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This is why computers should only be able to run government-approved software acquired from government-approved repositories. :)

This is far too possible to be funny.

Agreed. When that legislation is inevitably written, it'll be sold as "protecting the children" and/or "combatting hate" and everyone will lap it up.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Someone please explain: if I fork Firefox or Chrome and delete the censorship code, then I publish it online (eg. in github with a download link), then next time I go to France I will get into trouble?

Nah it's fine, firefox has 4% market share, realistically even the french gov doesn't care about them

even the french gov, hahaha

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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France should have listened to GNU/Stallman: You can't have an antifeature in free software. If you try, someone is just going to comment it out.

>You can't have an antifeature in free software. If you try, someone is just going to comment it out.

Reminds how Okular by default obeys PDF DRM, but you can just simply untick it as an option in the settings if you want to.

In an ideal scenario, all software would have that tickbox.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Exactly. Mozilla is one of the worst tech companies pretending to do good. Tech wasn't always like this. In the 00s, everyone was for free speech. Mozilla wasn't like this either. Hate to say it, but once the tech elite ( or more like the money elite controlling tech ) started talking about minority, lgbt and women's 'rights', they all started censoring, deplatforming, oppressing. Of course to fight 'hate speech' - w…

That's quite a revisionist history. The early web was heavily moderated, just on a smaller scale. >Hate to say it, but once the tech elite ( or more like the money elite controlling tech ) started talking about minority, lgbt and women's 'rights', they all started censoring, deplatforming, oppressing. There's nothing stopping you from creating yet another "free speech" website. They typically fail because what the "t…

Tangential, but, nowadays there are many digital spaces where saying "its not ok to hate cis white men" will get you a chorus of people saying "yes it is", followed by the boot.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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I think simply modifying the hosts file on a machine to "rename" the domain of the site you want to visit would be sufficient to bypass a browser-level block.

The browser must send a request with a Host header with the correct site name or the server will 404 it. What could work is a local proxy server that translates the host name in the request. It must MITM the https requests though.

Is MITM even possible for HSTS preloaded websites?

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Serious question - can governments put mandates on open source software? How would that work? How could it work?

Of course. Legislature can pass any laws it decides to. Open source software doesn't get some free-pass that allows it to dodge laws. Yes of course you can ignore, disagree and break laws. But they can and will come after you.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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It is, until it isn't, and you don't want to put trust in the hands of a bunch of 70 y-o politicians to handle this.

It just is, the law specifies exactly under which law articles websites can be blocked, and all of said articles are quite specific about scamming, phishing, extortion of personal data, etc

Laws are easier to add than revoke. Might be just for scam websites now (haven't checked your claim), but it's a single majority vote away for any website in the future that those in charge want to label as terrorist, propaganda, unethical, or whatever else the next group that comes to power finds as an excuse for information that is against their own agenda.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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How do they expect to enforce this? Especially against open-source browsers, or companies without a presence in France? One disadvantage of globalization is that you get to see the dumb ideas of all politicians. Somehow, the good ideas don't cumulate the same way...

So easily. Step 1: pass law. Step 2: for infinging projects with > $x stars on $whatever issue C&D under threat of $consequence.

If you believe tangling with state-sponsored legal machinery is no big deal, I feel sorry for you.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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lol Korea achieved government censorship by blocking certain websites by sni headers without any announcement. I wish we had those dumb politicians like France does. It is actually a good thing that old dudes who are clueless about tech are high up. This kind of meager understanding of tech in especially in Europe make me wonder how the life of those old politicians would be like. They are still living in pre tech-bo…

You do wish. Because in countries that pay even passing pretense to rule of law and democractic systems, regardless of how you may disparage the idiots in charge, this is how it works. They pass laws. They don't just fuck you in the ass.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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> I don't know France Then don't try to put discredit to the saying of an insider. GP is 100% right. I've been back after about ~5 years living abroad and the country is in an astonishing decline on every plan (educational, moral, economical, political, diplomatic, security, judicial, medical, etc. the list goes one). And most of it is stemming from the policies enforced in the last decades.

Well, I never stopped living in France and I disagree with your takeaway, so I guess we're back to square one.

> educational, moral, economical, political, diplomatic, security, judicial, medical

Which one is better? Because I don't see one.

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