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Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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post #13

The French government's approach to modern tech is similar to the UK and Germany in some ways. They seem to be advised by a bunch of decrepit dudes who stopped learning about computers before the OSI model was created.

It's often "gals", not just "dudes", who are pro censorship, at least in Germany.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s absurd that an article exists to allow French govt agents to display messages in my browser. How is that even enforced?

Rules exist to require messages be shown on phones - for example the emergency alert system for hurricanes. Doesn't seem unreasonable that computer OS's and/or web browsers be required to support the same.

I think one issue is that unlike physical objects like phones, software doesn't occupy physical space or respect national borders. So trying to enforce "all software of such and such category within our physical borders must have this property" is impractical without draconian measures that pose a significant threat to software freedom. It creates legal hazards to otherwise perfectly benign actions like downloading open source software from a foreign country, compiling your own browser, publishing software or offering network services for free on the global internet, etc.

That's not to say a regulation like this couldn't be done in a reasonable way, but it needs to be handled with care.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#114
post #96

As far as I understand it, this is only about implementing a blocklist for scam and phishing sites, like what Edge's SmartScreen already does. The agency in charge of this, Arcom, will have to comply to that requirement. While the principle in itself isn't great, this isn't as bad as Mozilla or comments on HN make it look like.

It is, until it isn't, and you don't want to put trust in the hands of a bunch of 70 y-o politicians to handle this.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... or to the benefit their friends owning private companies. Yup this one in France is really a big problem. The public sector spendings officially represents something like 58.1% of the french GDP (official "Insee" numbers from 2023, for 2022)... France is not far from a planned economy and, unsurprisingly, it's a particularly harsh environment for real small private SMEs (i.e. those without friends at the state)…

France is really far from a planned economy. Marseille's worst neighborhoods are really chill compared to the bad parts of any American city. The streets are pretty safe. Your comment is kinda ridiculous, stop watching TV. Yeah there are lot of taxes, but those taxes come in handy when you can get 2 years of unemployment benefits when starting a company. Or when you know, get a cancer that would cost a few millions t…

My girlfriend had a poorly aimed egg thrown at her late at night in Marseille on a kebab run for wearing a short skirt in a Muslim neighborhood. Seems pretty rough to me!

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#117
post #81

Someone please explain: if I fork Firefox or Chrome and delete the censorship code, then I publish it online (eg. in github with a download link), then next time I go to France I will get into trouble?

Next step: mandating compiler vendors to modify compilers so that your code doesn't compile :)

Better yet: you'll need a license to compile code.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#119

Good. We will see how many supporters of “stopping misinformation” are willing to be subjected to their own rules.

The "misinformation" that is blocked might be just of a type that is politically convenient to be blocked for those people.
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