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Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There're a bunch of corrupted inviduals with no counter power to keep them in check. No decisions are made for the benefit of the French people since a long time, every law passed is either to augment their power, rise taxes (already world top 1 or 2 depending on the year) or to the benefit their friends owning private companies. Of course technology freedom will suffer from this as well.

Well if majority votes for them, it's important to respect the choice of the voters, even if you don't like their choice because you have other interests that you want to defend. The opposition in France are far from being angels, it's very similar to Democrats vs Republican situation in France (except Gauche vs Droite).

What limits are you willing to place on this? Majorities can and do vote for monsters.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#73
post #13

The French government's approach to modern tech is similar to the UK and Germany in some ways. They seem to be advised by a bunch of decrepit dudes who stopped learning about computers before the OSI model was created.

Same club as the people who coin inspect element viewers as hackers

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the context: the fr gov's been acting against national interest for more than 20 years in a row. The people know it. The gov knows the people know. The gov wants to pretend it's not doing anything wrong. It could keep pretending credibly, if only people would keep their trap shut on the web. So now gov wants to control what people can see and say on the web.

> "The people know it." Why do I have strong vibes that a better way of phrasing this is " a percentage of the people who thinks the fr gov's been acting against national interest (likely the people who think /their/ interest aligns with the national interest quite closely) knows it." I mean, I don't know France and I'm no friend with "the government" and I oppose turning browsers into anything they are not supposed…

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Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#76
post #65

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well otherwise France can ask its ISP's to just block Mozilla in France if it doesn't comply

And also block 3rd party (linux distro) repositories that also ship Firefox?

Inria for sure would love that /s...

The week after Guix-HPC users see their Hydras blocked, the goverment it's fucked over by a call from "a big boss" from corpos relying on reproducible scientific materials and the guy who did that "great idea" fired in the spot to save up some asses (and Euros).

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#79
post #13

The French government's approach to modern tech is similar to the UK and Germany in some ways. They seem to be advised by a bunch of decrepit dudes who stopped learning about computers before the OSI model was created.

This feels much better than the Russian government's approach to censorship and modern tech. The problem is that there are people in Russian government who actually have a clue about how this stuff works.

If the blocking is done client-side, there's plenty of ways to bypass it, like just not updating your browser, duh. Or patching it, or installing extensions that neutralize the blocking mechanism, or fooling it into thinking you're in another country. Even if the blocking done via DNS, it's trivially bypassable by using a DNS provider that offers encryption. Russian approach, though, is to use deep packet inspection equipment (that doesn't implement the TCP spec, lol) to actively mess with people's connections to "forbidden" resources.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#80

How should it work, every browser has to download a list with forbidden sites from the french government first? Like a public open "bad sites" list?

The technology already exists based around hashes rather than a list of actual sites.

As with encryption bans, to stop this requires a political effort, not technological sneering and naysaying.

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