How can France force them? Just don’t do it.
well otherwise France can ask its ISP's to just block Mozilla in France if it doesn't comply
Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
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Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#52The French government's approach to modern tech is similar to the UK and Germany in some ways. They seem to be advised by a bunch of decrepit dudes who stopped learning about computers before the OSI model was created.
> They seem to be advised by a bunch of decrepit dudes who stopped learning about computers before the OSI model was created. I suspect its more like "dudes who know nothing about computers (let alone the OSI model)" coming up with dumb ideas. These ideas are all approved and encouraged by advisors under the influence of Big Tech interests, which are more than happy to achieve regulatory capture [0] to protect their…
Actually the current anti-encryption laws going through in the UK are pretty anti-Big Tech. One of the main motivations is they don't think Big Tech is "thinking of the children" and it should be their responsibility to do that.
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#53How can France force them? Just don’t do it.
This petition, and the Mozilla blog post someone linked to upthread, are designed to make it look like Mozilla did everything they could prior to capitulating.
Of course it's dumb. They should just say they won't do it. Presumably their desire to continue operating in France is a lot stronger than their dedication to the principles involved and that is why they are taking this approach.
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#54Would be good for some context about what happens if they don't comply.
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#55I thought they wanted "more than deplatforming" https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat... https://archive.today/ia2z4
Exactly. Mozilla is one of the worst tech companies pretending to do good. Tech wasn't always like this. In the 00s, everyone was for free speech. Mozilla wasn't like this either. Hate to say it, but once the tech elite ( or more like the money elite controlling tech ) started talking about minority, lgbt and women's 'rights', they all started censoring, deplatforming, oppressing. Of course to fight 'hate speech' - whatever that means. It's like someone or some group flipped a switch and everyone from business to politics started singing a different tune.
Once again, everything we accuse china of, we are. China has a single party controlled media right? How is it that one day, every commercial and media suddenly became so 'diverse'? Not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing. Just asking who flipped the switch?
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "The people know it." Why do I have strong vibes that a better way of phrasing this is " a percentage of the people who thinks the fr gov's been acting against national interest (likely the people who think /their/ interest aligns with the national interest quite closely) knows it." I mean, I don't know France and I'm no friend with "the government" and I oppose turning browsers into anything they are not supposed…
> I don't know France Then don't try to put discredit to the saying of an insider. GP is 100% right. I've been back after about ~5 years living abroad and the country is in an astonishing decline on every plan (educational, moral, economical, political, diplomatic, security, judicial, medical, etc. the list goes one). And most of it is stemming from the policies enforced in the last decades.
> Then don't try to put discredit to the saying of an insider.
The GP in question is a generic ramble about distaste for current government. You can apply that for each and every country - there's not one where citizens are happy with their leaders. And if this flies for 'insider knowledge' in France you really are f**d and, its not because of the government.
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's the context: the fr gov's been acting against national interest for more than 20 years in a row. The people know it. The gov knows the people know. The gov wants to pretend it's not doing anything wrong. It could keep pretending credibly, if only people would keep their trap shut on the web. So now gov wants to control what people can see and say on the web.
You need to give some serious references for that.
hi, our nuclear park is jeopardized, our energy cost is above the roof, several scandals ; look up the macron leaks it's has widely made the news both in france and internationally.
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#58>It would set a dangerous precedent This seems to be false as the precedent already exists. sources: Étude d'impact (PDF linked in https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/dossierlegislatif/JORFDOLE000... ) says >Par ses modalités, ce dispositif est à rapprocher du dispositif de filtrage prévu au 1° de l’article L. 521-3-1 du code de la consommation, permettant aux agents de la DGCCRF d’ordonner, selon des conditions et modali…
It’s absurd that an article exists to allow French govt agents to display messages in my browser. How is that even enforced?
Rules exist to require messages be shown on phones - for example the emergency alert system for hurricanes.
Doesn't seem unreasonable that computer OS's and/or web browsers be required to support the same.
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#59How do they expect to enforce this? Especially against open-source browsers, or companies without a presence in France?
One disadvantage of globalization is that you get to see the dumb ideas of all politicians. Somehow, the good ideas don't cumulate the same way...
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ... or to the benefit their friends owning private companies. Yup this one in France is really a big problem. The public sector spendings officially represents something like 58.1% of the french GDP (official "Insee" numbers from 2023, for 2022)... France is not far from a planned economy and, unsurprisingly, it's a particularly harsh environment for real small private SMEs (i.e. those without friends at the state)…
France has always been pretty bad at running an economy. Ofcourse for the rest of Europe this is a good thing- French military ambitions have been consistently sabotaged by this oversight. Good military, brilliant engineers and capable bureaucrats but terrible merchants. And wars are won on the stock market.
> Ofcourse for the rest of Europe this is a good thing
For the kings sure… for the people much less.
Imagine england being defeated and india being free of colonialism.