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Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the context: the fr gov's been acting against national interest for more than 20 years in a row. The people know it. The gov knows the people know. The gov wants to pretend it's not doing anything wrong. It could keep pretending credibly, if only people would keep their trap shut on the web. So now gov wants to control what people can see and say on the web.

> "The people know it." Why do I have strong vibes that a better way of phrasing this is " a percentage of the people who thinks the fr gov's been acting against national interest (likely the people who think /their/ interest aligns with the national interest quite closely) knows it." I mean, I don't know France and I'm no friend with "the government" and I oppose turning browsers into anything they are not supposed…

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Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#22
post #3

It would be nice if Mozilla would add more context around it. That said, it’s freaking exhausting how these dumb actions keep being taken by governments all over the world. It seems like every month there’s some new crap going on

Here's the context: the fr gov's been acting against national interest for more than 20 years in a row. The people know it. The gov knows the people know. The gov wants to pretend it's not doing anything wrong. It could keep pretending credibly, if only people would keep their trap shut on the web. So now gov wants to control what people can see and say on the web.

You wrote 6 sentences and I still have no idea what it's all about.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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post #3

It would be nice if Mozilla would add more context around it. That said, it’s freaking exhausting how these dumb actions keep being taken by governments all over the world. It seems like every month there’s some new crap going on

https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2023/06/26/france-browser...

This is exactly the description of the issue I was looking for - thank you!

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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post #3

It would be nice if Mozilla would add more context around it. That said, it’s freaking exhausting how these dumb actions keep being taken by governments all over the world. It seems like every month there’s some new crap going on

Here's the context: the fr gov's been acting against national interest for more than 20 years in a row. The people know it. The gov knows the people know. The gov wants to pretend it's not doing anything wrong. It could keep pretending credibly, if only people would keep their trap shut on the web. So now gov wants to control what people can see and say on the web.

You need to give some serious references for that.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#26

I thought they wanted "more than deplatforming" https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat... https://archive.today/ia2z4

Everything in that blog post looks reasonable, unlike what France is looking to do

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#27
post #3

It would be nice if Mozilla would add more context around it. That said, it’s freaking exhausting how these dumb actions keep being taken by governments all over the world. It seems like every month there’s some new crap going on

https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2023/06/26/france-browser...

This is great, thank you! Mozilla should really link to it in the petition page

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#28
post #13

The French government's approach to modern tech is similar to the UK and Germany in some ways. They seem to be advised by a bunch of decrepit dudes who stopped learning about computers before the OSI model was created.

There're a bunch of corrupted inviduals with no counter power to keep them in check. No decisions are made for the benefit of the French people since a long time, every law passed is either to augment their power, rise taxes (already world top 1 or 2 depending on the year) or to the benefit their friends owning private companies. Of course technology freedom will suffer from this as well.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the context: the fr gov's been acting against national interest for more than 20 years in a row. The people know it. The gov knows the people know. The gov wants to pretend it's not doing anything wrong. It could keep pretending credibly, if only people would keep their trap shut on the web. So now gov wants to control what people can see and say on the web.

You wrote 6 sentences and I still have no idea what it's all about.

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Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#30
post #3

It would be nice if Mozilla would add more context around it. That said, it’s freaking exhausting how these dumb actions keep being taken by governments all over the world. It seems like every month there’s some new crap going on

https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2023/06/26/france-browser...

> Article 6 (para II and III) of the SREN Bill would force browser providers to create the means to mandatorily block websites present on a government provided list

Why would this ever be done on a browser level? Any nation with internet censoring intentions can already do this by blocking it on an ISP level.

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