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Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> […] since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist […] South Korean journalist, self declared [supposed] “feminist”, and anti white racist - Sarah Jeong - working for Western media outlet Vice. I hope she’s satisfied with her handiwork!…

You’re refuting her being a Western journalist because of her ethnicity? She’s been in the US since she was 3 years old, raised Southern Baptist, attended Ivies, and is a US citizen…

I’m providing context, to the parent comment. My reasoning is multi faceted. You’re welcome to read whatever you like, into why I provided the aforementioned context - but it’s probable, you’d be wrong.

> […] and is a US citizen […]

From 2017, according to Wikipedia.

I’ve been following the rise of Naomi Wu, for a long time. I’ve seen her skills, and abilities, called into question by Dale Dougherty, of Make Media/Magazine - simply because she was a woman, who didn’t fit the dowdy/frumpy stereotype, en vogue with the supposed “community”. In fact, they went so far as to claim, there was a hidden man/husband, controlling her, behind the scenes. Now it transpires she’s gay, they have even more to answer for - in their quest, in trying to gatekeep, who does, and doesn’t, fit the approved imagery of hackerdom.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#102

Oh the irony of this happening to someone like Naomi Wu, given past things that she posts about. People should remember this any time they see an influencer living in China who is highly critical of the west and yet suspiciously silent on issues within China. The answer is, of course, that as soon as one of these influencers cross the line they or their family get threatened with jail time. It makes it difficult to a…

> People should remember this any time they see an influencer living in China who is highly critical of the west and yet suspiciously silent on issues within China.

> The answer is, of course, that as soon as one of these influencers cross the line they or their family get threatened with jail time.

Were any of us really ignorant of that? It should be obvious that in China if you are an influencer, you are either pro-CCP (or at least avoid politics completely) or you are simply no longer an influencer.

> It makes it difficult to argue with them or engage in good faith on topics of international politics when this is the real reason why they publicity say certain things.

Again, I don't think anyone is surprised by this. Why would you expect to have an honest debate with someone subject to rule by an authoritarian regime?

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explanation requested. I guess it's missing a hyphen but "anti white racist" is a pretty thin salad at three words and not especially ambiguous in terms of the politics it implies.

> not especially ambiguous in terms of the politics it implies. What politics are those?

Yes, I’d also like to know what politics I’m supposed to be implying?!

For the record, and despite the handle, I’m not “white”. A “quadroon”, if you must!… Furthermore, I’m politically neutral - abstaining from voting, fully. I’m not American, either…

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#104
People are assuming this is about gender, but it may well be about COVID. Wu refused to go along with China's huge policy shift, from trying hard to contain COVID to giving up. She still takes precautions and has been plugging for UV sterilizers and HEPA filters. The government of China has been hassling people who still want to control COVID spread. It's like "return to office" enforced by the cops.

She had a previous visit from "the authorities", and wrote on Twitter, back on June 30th,

"I think the "plainclothes cops" who came to visit today and I told to fuck off were fake since they left when I threatened to call the real cops. That said, in the future it would be super helpful if whoever runs things could give me a contact point so if there is a real issue, I don't tell them to fuck off."

"Personally, I think my uncensored rants and the fact that I get away with them makes us look really good, but if there are certain areas where things are delicate, I'm open to toning it down. Just ask." (She repeated all that in Mandarin.)

"For those of you that are curious- Shenzhen isn't some podunk 4th tier hick town, we have laws- and in my experience they are followed, which is why these two clowns were a whole bundle of red flags. (Yes, they need a warrant and would have had one if they were the real deal)"

Meanwhile, her online store is still up.[1]

[1] https://cybernightmarket.com/

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#105

Oh the irony of this happening to someone like Naomi Wu, given past things that she posts about. People should remember this any time they see an influencer living in China who is highly critical of the west and yet suspiciously silent on issues within China. The answer is, of course, that as soon as one of these influencers cross the line they or their family get threatened with jail time. It makes it difficult to a…

> People should remember this any time they see an influencer living in China who is highly critical of the west and yet suspiciously silent on issues within China. > The answer is, of course, that as soon as one of these influencers cross the line they or their family get threatened with jail time. Were any of us really ignorant of that? It should be obvious that in China if you are an influencer, you are either pro…

> Were any of us really ignorant of that?

Apparently a lot of people in this thread are, yes. Because a bunch of people are all talking about "nuance" and how it is good to hear from a real perspective of someone living in China.

It's not a real perspective, and never was. It is instead one only optimized for saying what needs to be said to not get arrested.

It colors everything that she has said or not said, and makes it impossible to take any argument or statement that she says at face value.

> Why would you expect to have an honest debate with someone subject to rule by an authoritarian regime?

Although this may seem obvious to us, it was never obvious to her fans and her huge social media following.

Along with all the people who did get into debates and fights with her online (of which there were many!), who didn't realize that they were not engaging with honest good faith statements.

People liked her for the things that she said, taken at face value, and not because of the real truth of the matter which is that all of it was written within the context of a culture of fear of arrest.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#107
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My interpretation is since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist she has had an antagonistic relationship with them. I've replied and responded to some of her Tweets and she definitely has her own identity that doesn't line up with what Western users think. I think they wanted a freedom fighter based in China to criticize the CCP and she was not taking the bait. What I had not anticipated was her needing th…

> I think they wanted a freedom fighter based in China to criticize the CCP and she was not taking the bait.

Let's don't forget about the real-world context here which includes the on going large scale trade war against China, and there are US generals floating on a boat nearby ready to fight and won. Not to judge what's right and wrong here, but under this situation, you just don't think a Chinese, who's probably has good relationships with many of the negatively impacted, to further support the western narrative that (as many Chinese views it) too promoted the trade war.

The medias wants a perfect movie, a great story that they can tell and sell. Hero v.s. monster, good v.s. evil, this kind of things. And under this influence, many people views the world with this expectation. But reality is more complex, and everybody move based on their interests, including political ones.

The real question the media should be asking themselves is, why should Naomi Wu take the risk? She mostly already living her dream life, all is well for her and everyone she cares, why change it and diminishes her future opportunities?

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People should remember this any time they see an influencer living in China who is highly critical of the west and yet suspiciously silent on issues within China. > The answer is, of course, that as soon as one of these influencers cross the line they or their family get threatened with jail time. Were any of us really ignorant of that? It should be obvious that in China if you are an influencer, you are either pro…

> Were any of us really ignorant of that? Apparently a lot of people in this thread are, yes. Because a bunch of people are all talking about "nuance" and how it is good to hear from a real perspective of someone living in China. It's not a real perspective, and never was. It is instead one only optimized for saying what needs to be said to not get arrested. It colors everything that she has said or not said, and mak…

Most people are out there to consume rather mundane material on pop culture, whatever dance is popular on TikTok, or perhaps someone who is hacking hardware in a bikini. These are pretty entertaining subjects that don't intersect with politics very well, and probably don't need to.

And ya, any content that we consume from China is going to be the variety that doesn't touch politics due to selection bias (the pro China position from China isn't going to be popular, the anti China position from China is illegal).

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#110

Oh the irony of this happening to someone like Naomi Wu, given past things that she posts about. People should remember this any time they see an influencer living in China who is highly critical of the west and yet suspiciously silent on issues within China. The answer is, of course, that as soon as one of these influencers cross the line they or their family get threatened with jail time. It makes it difficult to a…

“Suspiciously silent”:

https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/166043727684397056...

https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/166044210589716480...

https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/149992892541732864...

https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/166496024156854682...

https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/166518745181888512...

https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/151996155943009075...

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