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Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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It's depressing how many Americans and Europeans seem utterly allergic to any kind of nuanced discussion or deeper understanding of China. I think the same applies to the former USSR. I'm not sure why this is.

Why do you think it's easy for most to have nuanced, dispassionate discussions about the ancient Assyrians but not the Nazis? Spacial/temporal/ideological proximity. We're not likely to become anything like the former, but we fear ourselves (or at least our leadership) becoming more like the latter. Obviously it would be ideal to learn from the good aspects of even the most evil totalitarian regimes, but in practice…

Mostly more dispassionate, but not necessarily more accurate? I gather from reading acoup.blog that popular culture gets ancient cultures wrong quite often too. Especially the sort of thing that engages people's imaginations.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#52

I'm appalled that I'm only finding out about this now.

Am I being paranoid in thinking that Musk’s exposure in China & disdain for the LGBTQ community could lead him to lower the reach of tweets related to this issue?

Plausible.

However, I would say that a related, more general, and more disturbing hypothesis (in the "big picture") is more plausible:

Musk is all-in with China, Saudi Arabia, etc. For various reasons - access to markets, financing, etc. Some of those who left Twitter shortly after the bad deal he made was force-consummated, suggested that it might be far less safe for, say, Saudi dissidents to use the platform than it was prior to his takeover (and, there were "incidents" and indications of incidents before he took over, already).

I'd suggest that he has some general directive(s) in place for what to do about certain kinds of potentially sensitive tweets. His claims about "free speech absolutism" are interesting, in the use of the word absolute (think "L'État, c'est moi") and subsequent statements about "following the law" and the resultant behavior.

And, of course, his little trolincel fans are the perfect little army of toadies for these kinds of totalitarian governments... just waiting to denounce any "enemies of the people" (i.e., flag tweets so they may be passed on to House of Saud, CPC [CCP], etc.).

Edit: It's easy to see that this makes all of the craziness we've witnessed with Twitter, since the takeover, look less crazy. With this as a backdrop. That is: the bad deal is already done, but, some of the rationale and goals can still be salvaged.

So, come in, get rid of anyone with a conscience, more experienced, more independent. Have NDAs in place (par for the course already, at "MuskInc", good cover), and a set of foreign indentured servants. The environment is perfectly transformed to extract THIS kind of value from the whole clusterfck. Plus, Elon gets to build his mythos further in multiple ways, including fostering further disgust in "his enemies". And, if / when it all crashes down, well, at least we disrupted all those communities, independent journalist-types, etc.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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post #19

My interpretation is since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist she has had an antagonistic relationship with them. I've replied and responded to some of her Tweets and she definitely has her own identity that doesn't line up with what Western users think. I think they wanted a freedom fighter based in China to criticize the CCP and she was not taking the bait. What I had not anticipated was her needing th…

> […] since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist […]

South Korean journalist, self declared [supposed] “feminist”, and anti white racist - Sarah Jeong - working for Western media outlet Vice.

I hope she’s satisfied with her handiwork!…

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#54
post #12

Censorship from one side or the other is never the answer.

This goes well beyond just censorship.

No, this is just censorship. The government showed up and told her to stop saying stuff, so she did. The problem is that the word has been diluted in contemporary usage. Almost everything that people call "censorship" in the discourse mostly amounts to "People disagree with me and I don't liek that", or occasionally "I got banned on so I'm yelling about it on ".

This is what actual censorship looks like.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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post #19

My interpretation is since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist she has had an antagonistic relationship with them. I've replied and responded to some of her Tweets and she definitely has her own identity that doesn't line up with what Western users think. I think they wanted a freedom fighter based in China to criticize the CCP and she was not taking the bait. What I had not anticipated was her needing th…

> […] since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist […] South Korean journalist, self declared [supposed] “feminist”, and anti white racist - Sarah Jeong - working for Western media outlet Vice. I hope she’s satisfied with her handiwork!…

You’re refuting her being a Western journalist because of her ethnicity? She’s been in the US since she was 3 years old, raised Southern Baptist, attended Ivies, and is a US citizen…

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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post #19

My interpretation is since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist she has had an antagonistic relationship with them. I've replied and responded to some of her Tweets and she definitely has her own identity that doesn't line up with what Western users think. I think they wanted a freedom fighter based in China to criticize the CCP and she was not taking the bait. What I had not anticipated was her needing th…

She equally called out men being sexist as well as women who didn't like the idea of a female in STEM with a bimbo aesthetic.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it fairly common to be not especially interested in what those other people over there are doing amongst themselves - even if it's genocide or censuring dissidents or whatever - and to care a lot more about important local news like which faction gets to impose their values on the public school curriculum and what color suit the president wore left week?

Perhaps. When I submitted a blurb about Naomi getting arrested it got flagged right quick despite the ample evidence that she was not trying to keep quiet about it in earnest. Make of that what you will. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20462845

strange comment in the thread..

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20463487

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#60

It's depressing how many Americans and Europeans seem utterly allergic to any kind of nuanced discussion or deeper understanding of China. I think the same applies to the former USSR. I'm not sure why this is.

From my experience, Chinese people don't talk openly about their politics to non-Chinese, especially on the internet (unless it's in Chinese).

As a result, it's usually Chinese propaganda accounts or westerners with varying degrees of China experience you're exposed to.

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