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Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Censorship from one side or the other is never the answer.

No, censorship can totally be the answer to getting people to stop saying things you don’t want them to say if you don’t have any commitment to free speech. See how Tucker Max or Milo Yiannopolous are no longer culturally relevant. Censorship works.

You are comparing getting fired for costing your network billions by lying about elections and smearing, without substance, a company with getting silenced for your sexuality Nice.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This goes well beyond just censorship.

No, this is just censorship. The government showed up and told her to stop saying stuff, so she did. The problem is that the word has been diluted in contemporary usage. Almost everything that people call "censorship" in the discourse mostly amounts to "People disagree with me and I don't liek that", or occasionally "I got banned on so I'm yelling about it on ". This is what actual censorship looks like.

"I got my wings clipped and they weren't gentle about it"

"I can leave but Kaidi can't"

"In fact, one of the latest turns is the Beijing LGBT Center's closure by the Chinese government in May of this year. "

And many other useful bits of information in the article.

Censorship is when you send a message from jail and someone elides stuff they don't want you to talk about. It doesn't involve goons visiting you, travel restrictions and wholesale restrictions on sizeable chunks of the population in terms of education or association.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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You’re refuting her being a Western journalist because of her ethnicity? She’s been in the US since she was 3 years old, raised Southern Baptist, attended Ivies, and is a US citizen…

Paleface is citing her as an example of such a western journalist...

This makes sense. “South Korean journalist” is a very clear way of saying “western journalist” also I’m sure “anti white racist” isn’t any sort of culture war word salad.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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It's depressing how many Americans and Europeans seem utterly allergic to any kind of nuanced discussion or deeper understanding of China. I think the same applies to the former USSR. I'm not sure why this is.

I think a lot of opinions coming from first-hand perspective is, if anything, more biased. People get inured to the life they live in and don't have perspective. A lot of people I know who live comfortably in the US that are from places like China or the Soviet Union are still pretty biased in favor of their nationalist propaganda. Not all of them, but some.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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> […] since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist […] South Korean journalist, self declared [supposed] “feminist”, and anti white racist - Sarah Jeong - working for Western media outlet Vice. I hope she’s satisfied with her handiwork!…

You’re refuting her being a Western journalist because of her ethnicity? She’s been in the US since she was 3 years old, raised Southern Baptist, attended Ivies, and is a US citizen…

No, I'm pretty sure they're just saying she should have known better. Vice were the ones who outed Naomi.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Why do you think it's easy for most to have nuanced, dispassionate discussions about the ancient Assyrians but not the Nazis? Spacial/temporal/ideological proximity. We're not likely to become anything like the former, but we fear ourselves (or at least our leadership) becoming more like the latter. Obviously it would be ideal to learn from the good aspects of even the most evil totalitarian regimes, but in practice…

please dont draw an equivalence between the ussr and nazi germany. it is incredibly problematic.

Is it?

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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post #75

It's depressing how many Americans and Europeans seem utterly allergic to any kind of nuanced discussion or deeper understanding of China. I think the same applies to the former USSR. I'm not sure why this is.

I think a lot of opinions coming from first-hand perspective is, if anything, more biased. People get inured to the life they live in and don't have perspective. A lot of people I know who live comfortably in the US that are from places like China or the Soviet Union are still pretty biased in favor of their nationalist propaganda. Not all of them, but some.

On the other hand, there are also a lot of Western expats who were very happy living in China for several years, but are leaving or have left China in the past 2-3 years due to the political changes taking place. China is a much more totalitarian nation today than it was 5 or 10 years ago.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35221742

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30966378

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35021682

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