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Re: X has started reversing the throttling on some of the sites, including NYTimes'

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Post by codechicago277 »

lockhouse wrote: post #52
camjohnson26 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that would be impossible to prove, and Twitter’s owner has burned any expectation of good faith by lying, repeatedly, about the smallest issues. He said he wouldn’t ban the ElonJet account, and then he did: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/dec/19/elon-musk/... He banned journalists who reported on it, banned links to Mastodon, Substack, and Threads, changed the algorithm to boost his own content, sl…

The previous management was hardly better. They banned the New York Post for daring to break the Hunter Biden laptop story.

You can use whataboutism to justify anything, but even your example is bad. Twitter admitted they got that wrong and Dorsey apologized: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-says...

I don’t see any apologies for any of the bad actions Twitter has taken since the purchase, and the hypocrisy of doing this while claiming to be a center of free speech is astounding.

Of course Twitter had bias before because every group of people has a bias. But that doesn’t mean that everything they do is wrong or malicious, just because you don’t like them. The real tragedy is letting your own bias blind you to what’s in front of your face.

Re: X has started reversing the throttling on some of the sites, including NYTimes'

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Post by thomasfromcdnjs »

codechicago277 wrote: post #71
lockhouse wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The previous management was hardly better. They banned the New York Post for daring to break the Hunter Biden laptop story.

You can use whataboutism to justify anything, but even your example is bad. Twitter admitted they got that wrong and Dorsey apologized: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-says... I don’t see any apologies for any of the bad actions Twitter has taken since the purchase, and the hypocrisy of doing this while claiming to be a center of free speech is astounding. Of course Twitter had bias before bec…

> The real tragedy is letting your own bias blind you to what’s in front of your face.

This is the sentiment I am getting from everyone. But it would seem to be the pot calling the kettle black.

Everyone is making an assumption off _their_ bias, I am asking for data before I decide.

Feel like I am taking crazy pills.

Re: X has started reversing the throttling on some of the sites, including NYTimes'

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Post by _8j50 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #19
_8j50 wrote: post #14

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I feel like people just don't know how to deal with trollish people like elon or trump, best you can do is ignore them and they lose the one thing they live for: attention.

That doesn't work, because they just escalate or get other people to act out on their behalf. And really, why should we construct society around the behaviors the worst people? There is some evidence for the proposition that rude responses to provocations is in fact the most effective moderations strategy. https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03697

You and other commenters are not getting what I am saying. Ignore them does not mean they don't face consequences, it means they don't get attention for it. Like no news headlines, no social media posts and likes,etc... if they have their own fanbase then ignore them too, ban, block, arrest,etc... just don't give them notoriety and fan the flames.

It's like with school shooters and serial killers, you shouldn't mention their names, publish their manifesto or do movies about them precisely to avoid copy cats or to give them what they want. If elon messes up twitter, leave it, don't give him attention for it.

Re: X has started reversing the throttling on some of the sites, including NYTimes'

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Post by exodust »

3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #64
zvorygin wrote: post #31

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Only you can choose to care or not care. And if you care about some troll, you’re going to become angry and then exhausted.

He’s the richest man on Earth, and has hundreds of millions of fans around the world. Multiple CEOs emulating him and saying they wish they could act more like him and copying his actions. People care because Musk is actively bending and reshaping society with his actions, and we live in this society. And unfortunately he's reshaping society towards a more hostile, adversarial, dishonest society. Where you constantly…

Your post reads like the intro to an unhinged anti-Musk manifesto. Are you sure you're not taking life too seriously?

When you accuse someone of "vast damage", destroying society, lies, and wishing them to fail among other things, it's you who is spreading hate. You are the problem.

> "People want to live in a sane world where sane outcomes hold up."

No idea what that means, but after reading your post I'm not confident you're a reliable source on what people want, or what a sane world looks like!

Re: X has started reversing the throttling on some of the sites, including NYTimes'

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Post by camjohnson26 »

thomasfromcdnjs wrote: post #72
codechicago277 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use whataboutism to justify anything, but even your example is bad. Twitter admitted they got that wrong and Dorsey apologized: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-says... I don’t see any apologies for any of the bad actions Twitter has taken since the purchase, and the hypocrisy of doing this while claiming to be a center of free speech is astounding. Of course Twitter had bias before bec…

> The real tragedy is letting your own bias blind you to what’s in front of your face. This is the sentiment I am getting from everyone. But it would seem to be the pot calling the kettle black. Everyone is making an assumption off _their_ bias, I am asking for data before I decide. Feel like I am taking crazy pills.

In my comment I said there’s a chance it’s just a bug. But there’s nothing wrong with speculating from past data, and throttling certain sites would fit the pattern of past behavior.

Re: X has started reversing the throttling on some of the sites, including NYTimes'

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Post by 3cats-in-a-coat »

exodust wrote: post #75
3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s the richest man on Earth, and has hundreds of millions of fans around the world. Multiple CEOs emulating him and saying they wish they could act more like him and copying his actions. People care because Musk is actively bending and reshaping society with his actions, and we live in this society. And unfortunately he's reshaping society towards a more hostile, adversarial, dishonest society. Where you constantly…

Your post reads like the intro to an unhinged anti-Musk manifesto. Are you sure you're not taking life too seriously? When you accuse someone of "vast damage", destroying society, lies, and wishing them to fail among other things, it's you who is spreading hate. You are the problem. > "People want to live in a sane world where sane outcomes hold up." No idea what that means, but after reading your post I'm not confid…

I like thinking about systems, and how they interact, how their parts merge into a whole, and yeah, factors like Musk and his real-estate twin, Trump, are absolutely making society worse in tangible, measurable ways.

And I was quite clear how, and I notice you didn't address anything I said about how Musk makes the world worse. Would you like if your boss was like Elon Musk? Get ready to implement surprise rebranding at 2AM on a Sunday, I guess. Don't like a competitor or a journalist? A critic? Ban them. Then praise yourself for being a free speech absolutist. Banana republic methodology in 21st century Silicon Valley. Hurray.

A lot of this behavior, can be excused if his ideas were brilliant. But no. He's just an idiot. And 2/3 of the value of the company he bought are lost now. More to come.

Re: X has started reversing the throttling on some of the sites, including NYTimes'

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Post by exodust »

3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #77
exodust wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your post reads like the intro to an unhinged anti-Musk manifesto. Are you sure you're not taking life too seriously? When you accuse someone of "vast damage", destroying society, lies, and wishing them to fail among other things, it's you who is spreading hate. You are the problem. > "People want to live in a sane world where sane outcomes hold up." No idea what that means, but after reading your post I'm not confid…

I like thinking about systems, and how they interact, how their parts merge into a whole, and yeah, factors like Musk and his real-estate twin, Trump, are absolutely making society worse in tangible, measurable ways. And I was quite clear how, and I notice you didn't address anything I said about how Musk makes the world worse. Would you like if your boss was like Elon Musk? Get ready to implement surprise rebranding…

> "...absolutely making society worse in tangible, measurable ways."

You've presented zero measurements to qualify that statement. Your personal dislike of Musk's methods have nothing to do with your wishful projection of a super-villain doing harm to the world.

> "He's just an idiot."

I see. Maybe you should consider whether your personal dislike of Musk isn't getting the better of you. Your comment amounts to "trust me bro, Musk is an idiot".

> "surprise rebranding at 2AM on a Sunday"

You'd prefer an 11am rebrand? That's nice, but the new CEO has already stated she knew about the rebrand when she started.

He has repeatedly said he welcomes his haters and anyone from any side of politics. That's the "free speech" part you're missing. Even Stephen King hates Musk and yet Musk still replies to him and has a joke about it. Your claim he bans his critics is false. Whatever isolated incidents there are with bans, isn't representing the whole.

> "I like thinking about systems...how their parts merge into a whole"

No. You like calling people idiots and posting emotional uninformed rants. You enjoy wallowing in the logical fallacy wastelands. "How parts merge into the whole" are absent from your contributions (the two posts I've read of yours). If you truly cared about "systems", your approach would be balanced, analytical, less emotionally charged, less "the sky is falling".

Re: X has started reversing the throttling on some of the sites, including NYTimes'

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Post by icantbebothered »

dang wrote: post #78
icantbebothered wrote: post #5

So tired of him. So tired.

Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here.

Sure, whatever, but I do note that it generated substantive commentary for a post that generated little of substance itself.

Ah, fuck it. Your moderation is inconsistent. Lots of frivolous and low quality comments sail right on by you, shitting up threads all over the site, but here you go picking on, yes, an admittedly low-quality yet heart-felt sub-thread starter that resulted in quality commentary that is now hidden from sight. What a stupid decision, axing good discussion because it started off poorly.

Ima fuck on off, no need to put up with your shit. Screw your head on right, guy.

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