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Asteroid ZTm0038 with a >3% impact probability

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Re: Asteroid ZTm0038 with a >3% impact probability

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post #68

From other comments in this thread, it seems this risk has passed, but was known three days ago? Was any action taken at all? A 3% risk isn't small.

I don't know what action could be taken. The risk of mass anxiety and the behavior that comes with that is probably greater than any additional safety a vague 3 day warning would provide.

Re: Asteroid ZTm0038 with a >3% impact probability

#132

I'm having a weirdly difficult time finding some basic ELI5 answers. - What is the probability that this asteroid will hit us? - What is the time interval where that probability applies? - Do we have a probability distribution for where it might hit? I don't know anything about anything, but I assume we know what *general direction* it's coming from? - Do we have a probability distribution for the potential blast rad…

Found this tweet with an impact probability map that is around northern US/Asia/Europe : https://twitter.com/JoelSercel/status/1691549821629526219

"If it is real this IS the worst asteroid threat ever discovered and the impact location and times are ugly (will post pics shortly). Note that the impact is in the next couple days! However, an Italian colleague of one of our astronomers suspects there is an error in the reported observations and there has been no chatter about this object and no followup. This probably means that it is not real. " - Joel C. Sercel, PhD

I'm guessing the impact death area will be around 3600 km2 (I have no idea, please correct), so ultimately the chance of it falling on me is 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 100,000 provided the asteroid hits. Which means 1 in 1,000,000 to 1 in 10,000,000 in total? (assuming 1% hit probability)

Re: Asteroid ZTm0038 with a >3% impact probability

#133
post #9

Impact time is in the past. Mission accomplished, everyone!

Am I reading this data correctly?: https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/scout/#/object/ZTm0038 Because it looks like today is the most probable day of impact at 10%, but there is a good 25%+ chance it will impact sometime in the next two weeks.

Can’t find any information on this anywhere else.

Re: Asteroid ZTm0038 with a >3% impact probability

#134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

400m in one dimension leaves a lot of room for variation. 400m x 1m x 1m is a lot less concerning than a 400m diameter sphere.

That would sound like a kinetic bombardment weapon and that we were about to get rodded. My level of concern would be sky high!

Depending on how it is aimed... straight in that would be messy.

Re: Asteroid ZTm0038 with a >3% impact probability

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I'm having a weirdly difficult time finding some basic ELI5 answers. - What is the probability that this asteroid will hit us? - What is the time interval where that probability applies? - Do we have a probability distribution for where it might hit? I don't know anything about anything, but I assume we know what *general direction* it's coming from? - Do we have a probability distribution for the potential blast rad…

When a new potentially-hazardous asteroid is discovered, it's normal for the probability of impact to go up a couple times before abruptly plummeting to zero, as the radius of uncertainty shrinks until it shrinks past the Earth. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torino_scale#/media/File:Apoph... . A 3% chance of impact right after discovery with the initial error ellipse isn't all that unusual; it will almost certain…

This makes sense, thanks. However, it doesn't mean that the 3% estimate of the chance of impact was wrong at the time of initial observation given data available, and that still makes it a huge deal at that time. At minimum, it would seem to justify using the best available instruments to characterize the asteroid more precisely as soon as possible.

If these large numbers happen so often that asteroids with initial impact probabilities of 3% are known to actually impact much less frequently than that, then the model is poorly calibrated, no? In other words, the reported probabilities aren't really probabilities and that is what has caused the confusion and anxiety in these comments.

Re: Asteroid ZTm0038 with a >3% impact probability

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... The Chelyabinsk meteor had ~20m of diameter. The impact energy of a 400m diameter asteroid is somewhere in the same ballpark as the deployed nuclear arsenal of the United States. Not extinction-level impact, but wherever it hit would definitely feel it.

Yes some place will feel it somehow, 70% chance it strikes an ocean and creates a tsunami. But the world will go on, people will shrug their shoulders and go on with life. If it was a 60 mile wide asteroid, now that would truly be the end.

This would wipe out an area equivalent to a mid sized country and would possibly have global effects. The threshold for that is somewhere between 250 meters and a kilometer but we fortunately do not have any data to make that much more precise. You definitely wouldn't shrug your shoulders and get on with life, it would be the most important event in your life assuming it didn't end. Depending on where it happened the economic impact of such an incident would destabilize the world economy for decades.
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