Many words about site moderation have been posted in the thread.. Who here has actually moderate(s|d) a forum/chat site?
Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains
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The problem is that if you publish the lists it leads to more abuses. For example if spammers find out which sites are banned then they just post other ones.
> For example if spammers find out which sites are banned then they just post other ones. I don't think that makes sense. The supposed spammers can just try looking up whether their submissions show up or not when not logged in.
It has made sense since the internet was invented, spammers need everything thrown at them because they will abuse every nook and cranny of your system to get paid 1 cent more
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oddly enough the delay is reduced to 1 second by using curl's useragent string (wget --user-agent='curl/8.2.1' https://t.co/4fs609qwWt )
Seeing this makes me wonder if it's some sort of server-side header bidding ad server gone haywire, rather than something nefarious. Why would they only delay browser agents otherwise?
Perhaps their own internal tooling also relies on the t.co redirector?
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#134I think that HN itself also shadow flags submissions from a list of domains it doesn't like. Try submitting a URL from the following domains, and it will be automatically flagged (but you can't see it's flagged unless you log out): - archive.is - watcher.guru - stacker.news - zerohedge.com - freebeacon.com - thefederalist.com - breitbart.com
Well, yes, many sites are banned on HN. Others are penalized (see e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). None of this is secret, though we don't publish the lists themselves. Edit: about 67k sites are banned on HN. Here's a random selection of 10 of them: vodlockertv.com biggboss.org infoocode.com newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com moringajuice.wordpress.com surrogacymumbai.com max…
radio.com looks legit, what is wrong with it?
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's what "random 10 out of 67k sites" gives you. Your set was cherry-picked, dang's wasn't. That said, dailykos.com seems to be banned. Happy now?
> Your set was cherry-picked Not exactly cherry-picked, these were from things I submitted myself and noticed that were shadow flagged. > That said, dailykos.com seems to be banned. Happy now? No, I'd be happy when archive.is, Federalist and the rest of the non-spammy ones are unbanned. (Also, even if "balanced" censorship was the desired goal, having a single unreliable left-wing source banned vs a ton of right-wing…
Have you considered that may speak more to your biases than the site's? How many far left-wing news sites do you regular?
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#136i mean, you can stop visiting the site, no? just leave, bro. it's not that hard. there are other means to connect to people.
Unfortunately not. All of my local government agencies - Police, Fire, DOT, Weather Service, Emergency Management updates, etc. are exclusively on twitter - they frequently post things there they don't even post to their own websites.
At the very least, I can get at the info if it's on twitter.
Anything that's exclusively on a facebook page may as well not exist to me.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
It isn't banned in comments - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... , https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... , etc. We probably banned it for submissions because we want original sources at the top level.
> We probably banned it for submissions because we want original sources at the top level. Then why web.archive.org isn't also banned? [1] And what about things which aren't available from the original source anymore? [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37130420
> Then why web.archive.org isn't also banned?
Because web.archive.org is generally used for...
... things which aren't available from the original source anymore.
While archive.is is generally used to bypass paywalls. These 2 websites have 2 very distinct missions and use-cases.
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#140I can confirm. NYT shows a five-second redirect delay: "wget https://t.co/4fs609qwWt ". It redirects to gov.uk immediately: "wget https://t.co/iigzas6QBx "
I almost didn't believe OP, because it's so comically inept and petty. But, I can also confirm in some private testing there is a deliberate delay.
Considering how common it is to deliberately break (not just with a "you log in now" modal, but not loading content, spinning forever, breaking layouts, etc) websites for non-logged-in mobile users, that's exactly how petty in imagine them to be. Twitter and Reddit do it, and Imgur comes and goes so I can't decide if for them it's deliberate or just incompetence.